Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Superb (1710)
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 14:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
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HMS Superb (1710)[edit]
... that, as one of the fastest sailers available to George Byng, HMS Superb played a pivotal role in the Battle of Cape Passero (pictured), tracking the enemy through the night, then forcing the surrender of the Spanish flagship the following day?
- ALT1: ... that HMS Superb played a pivotal role in the Battle of Cape Passero (pictured), tracking the enemy through the night, then forcing the surrender of the Spanish flagship the following day?
- Reviewed: Gregory Taronites
Created/expanded by Ykraps (talk). Self nominated at 13:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC).
- Ran DYK check - OK. Ran Copyvio - OK. The hook could be improved to have article link first, see ALT1. Continuing to review. Zeete (talk) 21:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that HMS Superb played a pivotal role in the Battle of Cape Passero (pictured), tracking the enemy through the night, then forcing the surrender of the Spanish flagship the following day?
Problem with hook: I could not find "forcing the surrender" in the article, or in the London Gazette reference, or in the battle article. Zeete (talk) 14:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- The precise wording in the Gazette is, "...the Superbe ranged up under her Lee Quarter, on which she struck to her". As in striking the colours (meaning surrendering). Similar words are used in the article.--Ykraps (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- I understand now, but think a general reader might not. Consider wording in the article to match the hook: "force the Spanish Admiral to surrender" with a note explaining how the Gazette wording "she struck to her" meant striking her colours meaning to surrender. Note the picture description states "hauling down her flag", which also could be clearer. What do you think? Zeete (talk) 18:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- I think it's probably okay, given that it is an internationally recognized sign of surrender, but I understand why you have reservations. If you want it changed, there are two options: I can either change the wording in the article and hook to "strike" and wikilink to Striking the colors, or I can re-reference the article with this [[1]] for example, which specifically mentions Superb "forcing the surrender". Whichever you think best. Regards--Ykraps (talk) 20:43, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- I've done the former, as the easiest option but if you prefer the latter option then let me know.--Ykraps (talk) 21:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- Date inconsistency: There seems to be a mix of old style and new style dates in the article. In the battle section, 30 July (no year given) is used, which is probably old style, the Gazette has a date of Aug. 6, O.S. The battle is the next day, which would be 31 July, but the battle article and the picture has 11 August 1718 for the date. What do you think? Zeete (talk) 14:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
- The inconsistency with the dates is caused by the adoption of the Gregorian calendar in September 1752. It's not the first time I've forgotten to take that into account when using pre-Gregorian sources! I have corrected the dates (Gregorianised them) and added an explanatory note at the foot of the article. Hope all is okay now.--Ykraps (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
