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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 16:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC).

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Hanif Abbasi[edit]

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Created/expanded by Sahara4u (talk). Self nominated at 13:32, 30 March 2013 (UTC).

  • Length, QPQ, Newness are all good. But I don't find the hook interesting or the election result particularly noteworthy and the page has nothing to say on why his victory mattered on a larger political or national level. I mean, we could look at any of the other constituencies and say somebody else won there with a margin of so many votes. That's neither interesting nor unique. Ashwin147 (talk) 05:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
  • As original reviewer has not been back, a new reviewer is needed to check the new ALT hooks for interest, and also to cover anything not done in the original review, such as sourcing and close paraphrase checks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:51, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
  • The first alternative hook is troublesome. The fact that someone was born in 1966 is not exceptional. Furthermore, I'd like to know what is meant by "started his political career." As far as I can tell from the article, it started in earnest in 2002. Not 1977. The source from which the "political career" claim originates doesn't strike me as completely reliable either, due to their over the top nationalist tone. The second hook seems to cause issues as well, as it may very well violate rule 4a. However, as far as I can tell, the article's other sources check out and I don't see any evidence of close paraphrasing. What we need to improve here is the previously described source replaced, and a new juicy hook. Then we're good to go.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 12:04, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I just took a look at the article and found whole sentences lifted out of the sources. I'll work on it now. Yoninah (talk) 21:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Amberrock, I'm really surprised at your willingness to pass this article as long as it gets a good hook. The writing was atrocious and quite a bit from the sources was left out of the article. I did a thorough copyedit, removed the close paraphrasing from Footnote 1, and formatted the references. If I understood the information in Footnote 2 correctly, here's my suggested alt:
  • ALT3: ... that in 2008 Pakistani politician Hanif Abbasi won by-elections as a member of the right-wing Jamaat-e-Islami party, and the general election as a member of the centre-right Pakistan Muslim League-N? Yoninah (talk) 21:58, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I'm wondering why you say that I'm willing to pass any article "as long as it gets a good hook." I have looked at the other issues, but didn't find them serious enough to withhold a {{DYKtick}} for that. The article doesn't have to be 100% complete, nor does its verse have to be brilliant. Keep in mind that this nomination is listed on DYK, not a GA or FA. Be that as it may, I am grateful for your overhaul of the article. But I really would like to see pakistanileaders.com.pk replaced as a source before I tick this, though. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 10:22, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Of course this isn't GA or FA. I was just talking about basic grammatical sentence construction. Many DYK nominations have been tagged because they need copy-editing. This article should have been one of them. I'll try to look for some other sources. Yoninah (talk) 10:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I am unable to find any other good sources in English. I'm not sure if the nomination should be held up because of the pakistanileaders.com.pk source. When I edited the page, I only used that source for Abbasi's family background, education, and ownership of a pharmaceutical business. This is the same as I would do for any U.S. Senator's or Congressman's page which cites his profile on the U.S. government site. Yoninah (talk) 00:29, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I found another source for the pharmaceutical adventure. For his personal life stuff I couldn't find them either. I guess this will have to do, then.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 12:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure what your icon means. If you agree to the pakistanleaders.com.pk source for the biographical details, are you ready to approve the article? What do you think about ALT3? I'm not allowed to approve my own hook per DYK rules. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:52, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
  • That icon means a new review is requested. I'm not allowed to approve the hook either, because I have actually edited the article. But regardless, I think it's a little dull. But with this article, that's as good as it's gonna get I'm afraid. —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 06:10, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Amberrock, editing an article in no way abrogates your right to be a reviewer. I have edited and even expanded articles with references (not to mention done the work of formatting the references so there are no bare URLs) to ready an article for the main page. The one thing I cannot do is approve my own hook. Since the page creator has disappeared from the scene, perhaps you could suggest a better hook, and I'll approve that :) Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 09:21, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
If you feel I can go ahead with this, I'm willing to trust you. I hereby approve ALT3.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 11:55, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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