Template:Did you know nominations/If 60's Was 90's

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 10:49, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

If 60's Was 90's[edit]

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~~... that Jimi Hendrix Jnr appears in the music video for Beautiful People's "If 60's Was 90's" to mime to his father's guitar solo?~~

Created by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 10:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC).

Just stopped by because I wasn't aware that Hendrix had any children. His FA class article seems to think so too since it doesn't mention him nor any other of his alleged kids. I doubt that you'll be able to find a reliable source confirming that Hendrix is his father. Fuebaey (talk) 11:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

I can only find one, this one, which confirms that Hendrix Jnr was declared his son in 1975.--Laun chba ller 11:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Granted this, this and this also suggests the same but a) legally only in Sweden b) without a paternity test. I'm still not sure stating 'his father' is enough without qualification. Fuebaey (talk) 13:36, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

The article does not say "his father's", and you can't have it in the hook if it isn't in the article. There frankly isn't reliable sourcing for it in the article (and wouldn't be anyway, based on what Fuebaey's uncovered). However, since the guy's legal name is Jimi Hendrix Jr. (or Jnr), you can certainly use that name in an ALT hook. Launchballer, it's been over a month; you need to propose a new hook now, or this will have to be closed due to lack of action. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Jimi Hendrix Jnr appears in the music video for Beautiful People's "If 60's Was 90's" to mime to Jimi Hendrix's guitar solo? --Laun chba ller 00:51, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Full review needed now that hook is set. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:43, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

alright - size and age ok. primary source ok for noncontroversial material and secondary sources for charts etc. However, can we get a better source for the hook than a youtube clip? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

The YouTube clip and appending blurb was uploaded by a user called "MrDuKane", who was a member of the band at the time. I consider him an authority on this subject.--Laun chba ller 11:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

How do you guarantee that the two DuKanes are the same person who was in the band? Without that absolute surety, which would be something like Twitter's verified account, I don't see how this can be considered sufficiently reliable to be a primary source. Cas Liber? BlueMoonset (talk) 20:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I must say I feel the same way - it's an extraordinary claim and it's the one the whole hook revolves around. Surely it must have been discussed somewhere else...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

The inimitable, appalling writing style used in the blurb of the clip is exactly the same writing style that appears in the liner notes. That's what makes me so sure. As for an online search, this is the only result that I can find that isn't a mirror of the clip or this nomination and I'm not convinced it's reliable.--Laun chba ller 00:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

No. Just no. You can be sure in your heart of hearts that the writing styles match, but this does not meet Wikipedia's reliable sourcing requirements. It isn't even close. The source from the online source, as you not, appears unreliable as well. I've struck the ALT1 hook, and if there isn't any other source for the Music video section, then that text is also in jeopardy for DYK purposes. The long quote at the end of the Background paragraph is properly a blockquote and shouldn't count toward article size in any case; the article is currently 1306 prose characters, and would be 1098 without the Music video section. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I went into Banquet Records in Kingston-upon-Thames earlier. They had a copy of the 1994 reissue of If 60's Were 90's, which came out a couple of months after the single did. It contained, in substantially reworded form, the contents of the YouTube source and some other assorted information. I've updated the article accordingly; how is it looking now?--Laun chba ller 14:25, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Cas Liber, thoughts on the new paraphrasing, and on the state of the article now? Is it ready, and is the new hook source adequate? BlueMoonset (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

mainly because I can't imagine the record company allowing its release with a fraudulent claim. size ok. hook ok now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

What hook? They've both been struck before Casliber made the approval. Is there another one? My eyes must be missing it. — Maile (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Maile, I think it's supposed to be ALT1, which I struck when there wasn't adequate support, but Launchballer added reliable support for it later. Cas Liber, if you're fine with ALT1 (the original hook was absolutely out of the question), please unstrike it and add another tick below that also says ALT1 is approved. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Unstricken. Sorry. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:23, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, just so a reviewer doesn't miss it - you approved ALT1 above. — Maile (talk) 19:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)