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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:03, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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Jewish views on lying

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  • ... that, according to the Hebrew Bible, a perjurer should receive the same punishment he sought to inflict on the falsely accused? Source: "False witnesses receive as punishment that which they schemed to have done to the defendant by their testimony (Deut. 19:16–21)." 10.5325/jjewiethi.3.1.0001

Created/expanded by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: earwig shows a number of text passages copied, but these are all direct quotes which are properly attributed, so we're good on that. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

  • The bolded link makes one think this is an article about the Jewish bible. Please re-pipe the link. Yoninah (talk) 19:25, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Disagree. Hebrew Bible is part of the Jewish tradition. (t · c) buidhe 19:36, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, I don't understand your response. The bolded link should be on something that pertains to the views on lying, not to the bible as a whole. Like this:
  • ALT1: ... that according to the Hebrew Bible, a perjurer should receive the same punishment he sought to inflict on the falsely accused? Yoninah (talk) 19:39, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: In my opinion, the original is clearer because the addition of "according to" indicates it's not the Hebrew Bible article. However, if you prefer ALT1, I don't have a strong objection. (t · c) buidhe 19:48, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Well, okay. I just took a look at the article, though, and I find the Torah (renamed Tanakh) section incredibly simplistic to the point of misleading. You have a whole page in Trevino (p. 564) which provides the nuanced approach of the rabbis to lying, and all you're saying is The Torah does not prohibit lying if no one is harmed.? You also have an odd discrepancy between saying the Patriarchs showed deception but the Talmud forbids lying. And what are "Later views"? I don't think Rabbi Dessler, Louis Jacobs, or the Reconstructionist fellow would fall under the category of Acharonim. Yoninah (talk) 21:18, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, It's just a start class article. The statement in Trevino is "The Torah allows for lying when no harm to others is caused". "Later views" includes significant views of Jews after the Talmud. This article is not "Orthodox Jewish views on lying" and therefore, necessarily includes the viewpoint of non-Orthodox Jews. If you would like to expand it with more information, please go ahead, but it meets DYK requirements. (t · c) buidhe 21:27, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Ugh. This is really distasteful to me. Restoring tick (for offline source) per RoySmith's review. Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
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