Template:Did you know nominations/José María Pinedo

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The result was: promoted by Hasteur (talk) 16:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

José María Pinedo[edit]

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... that Col. José María Pinedo took part in the Argentine War of Independence, Civil Wars and Cisplatine War but is best known for failing to resist the British return to the Falkland Islands?

Reviewed: Hilda Rix Nicholas, Chain boat .

Created by Wee Curry Monster (talk), DagosNavy (talk). Nominated by Wee Curry Monster (talk) at 22:08, 21 March 2014 (UTC).

nice article - where does it say he was "best known"? Victuallers (talk) 19:08, 15 April 2014 (UTC) Maybe

(alt1) ... that it was Col. José María Pinedo who failed to resist the reassertion of British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands in 1833?

I see that hook fact is well sourced including this ref in the article. Article has enough refs. Image is not at commons and should not be used. Age is OK. Is someone can improve the hook quickly then we can move this one along. Victuallers (talk) 19:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Any particular reaspon for changing the hook, personally I'd prefer to keep it as is. In addition, I prefer to keep the images I upload local. After having numerous GFDL images deleted for various reasons I am not willing to risk having perfectly good images removed from articles. W C M_email 21:09, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

The first hook includes numerous facts including "best known" which is unreferenced. (see comment above). I'm happy to hear your views on images, however I do not believe we use local images on the main page - the image used had no source (I have added one). If you want to use the first hook then can you make sure that is is easily clear where each aspect of the hook is sourced - although I do not believe that users are more like to click because he served at other places before the Falklands. Happy for you to put a new reviewer required symbol if you would prefer another view. Victuallers (talk) 10:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

(alt2) ... that Col. José María Pinedo took part in the Argentine War of Independence, Civil Wars and Cisplatine War but failed to resist the British return to the Falkland Islands?

OK I've changed the hook slightly, removing the phrase you object to. The suggestion that only the Falklands are relevant is somewhat Anglocentric, South American history is of interest to other readers. Could you confirm whether the use of Commons images is your preference please as I can't find anything in policy that indicates this is a requirement. As I said I've lost confidence in putting my images on Commons as I've seen too many deleted, hence, I now (like many others) request they're kept local. W C M_email 08:42, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

You may be right and lots of people are going to click because of his involvement in the War of Independence etc ... in which case "If you want to use the first hook then can you make sure that is is easily clear where each aspect of the hook is sourced ". I cannot see which ref is meant to indicate his involvement in the war of independance and I have not looked at the other bits of your hook. I'm not used to using images from local storage as you are - can you supply some support for your view? As the person who supplied the missing sourcing for the image it is not appropriate that I approve it. I know this is complex but it is not a simple hook. Victuallers (talk) 09:57, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Actually you didn't supply the "missing" source of the original image, it was from Commons as I originally stated and I've corrected the link. You googled and guessed it seems. How do I flag this for another reviewer please, every aspect is sourced in the article. W C M_email 16:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Request a different reviewer please, every aspect of the hook is sourced in the article. I have asked politely where in policy images have to be on commons and I can't find it anywhere, hence, I would like a separate opinion. Although Victuallers states above he provided the source of the image, he did not, the original image is on Commons where I found it. I modified it to a head and shoulders shot to remove a blog's watermark. W C M_email 17:07, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Good luck with the article. Commons is not a source. this is Victuallers (talk) 20:03, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

No, again the image on Commons was drawn to my attention. I've been open about where I got it from, it certainly wasn't from a blog I'd never read. So at this point I would appreciate you clarifying that comment. W C M_email 11:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Victuallers (talk) 17:21, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

All DYK requirements met; date, length, cites, etc. There is no rule about the image being on the commons, simply that it is permissively licensed. This image clearly falls into the PD. And on a personal note, I think the article is fantastic and I found it really interesting. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:24, 29 May 2014 (UTC)