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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:33, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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Juan Karlos Labajo[edit]

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Created by 001Jrm (talk). Nominated by PapaJeckloy (talk) at 11:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

001Jrm (talk) 05:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

ironically is not an appropriate word in an encyclopedic content, and the people don't need to know if he's half german or not, be straight to the point -PAPAJECKLOY (hearthrob! kiss me! <3) (talk) 08:32, 25 August 2014 (UTC).
To the future non-involved reviewer: I'm sorry that our (me and the other editor) disagreements will be dragged here. I tried talking with him/her through his/her talk page but there was no consensus. I was willing to compromise with him/her if s/he talked things through with me, but it never happened. As for the hook, I can and I'm willing to explain why I added the hook, but only after you commented on that. I believe that you will be fair with any decision that you will make, which we needed from the start. In the same way, I'll accept any criticisms/comments from you. I hope we'll have a better conversation here as a non-involved editor will be in between us (me and the other editor) now. Thank you! (edit: After much deliberation with myself, I will just add the nominator's name for contributing 0.2% text in the article (note: contributor, not creator) since I don't want to look like I'm being inconsiderate. Fighting over this is actually lame and I don't want to make this issue bigger. However, I still want to know who can be considered as a contributor in cases like ours. I want to at least give credit to others if something like this happens again in the future. Thank you!)
To the nominator: As much as possible, please refrain yourself from editing this page unless it's really needed. Respect others to comment here first especially that you're the nominator.
001Jrm (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Please stop arguing with each other, the disagreements between you and him really don't help this nomination, this article is new and long enough, created on Aug 21 and nominated within seven day period on Aug 23, the article is more than 1,500 readable prose. The article is well sourced, neutral and the hook is ok i prefer ALT3, this article is now ready for DYK. -EtitsNgKabayo (talk) 07:18, 29 August 2014 (UTC).
- Wait! Besides the really offensive username (Etits ng Kabayo is "Horse's penis" in Filipino), the "reviewer" have only edited this article is no way to prove that he is an experienced reviewer. Can someone review this article again? Thanks. -WayKurat (talk) 12:26, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
  • 001Jrm, do you want to continue with this nomination? We're happy to do so if you'd like. PapaJeckloy is no longer involved (I've removed his credit, as it seems undeserved based on what I can see of his article edits), as he has been indefinitely blocked on Wikipedia (and thus from DYK) for sockpuppeting—among other things, he attempted to pass this very nomination by using the EtitsNgKabayo account that he created. If any of his edits to this article were suboptimal, you might want to fix them. Further, if any of his hook suggestions are problematic, please feel free to strike them out, and you can propose other hooks if you want. Please let us know how you'd like to proceed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:41, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
First of all, thank you for your much effort in taking care of the user's actions and behavior. I've seen the many discussion pages involving the user, and I'm happy to know your (you and the other editors') collaborative effort in fixing the problem. Anyways, I'm willing to continue the nomination. For the hooks... as much as I want to use my own hook here (which is ALT2: ... that half-German singer Juan Karlos Labajo ironically experienced collecting trash and bullying in his hometown despite his Caucasian look? ), I don't want to exclude the nominator's proposed hooks either. I'll just leave the choosing of the right hook for you or other reviewers. Thank you again! 001Jrm (talk) 03:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I've just edited the prose and references in the article, and adding and removing facts depending on whether they seemed to be supported by the available sources. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I have trouble with "ironically", which is not in the article and is rather subjective. I do have a couple of hook suggestions that I think work better than the ones PapaJeckloy suggested:
If this aren't interesting enough, I can try to create others, or you can if you'd rather. (If you want to specify that he's half-German, for example, you'd need also to mention half-Filipino, because that wouldn't be known either unless it's included.) BlueMoonset (talk) 00:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Both alt look good to me, though I'd probably prefer alt4. Concerning alt2, I honestly didn't notice my exclusion of JK's Filipino blood since I was focused on his Caucasian look. Adding both bloodlines will make the hook much longer, however, so excluding both is probably the better choice. I added the word "ironically" because of his statement: "Marami pong nag aakala na, ‘Uy mayaman yan!’ Dahil nga daw po sa mukha ko. Pero ‘di po nila alam, sa Cebu ang dami po naming utang, nangungupahan lang kami, palipat-lipat ng bahay," ("Many had thought I was rich because of my face. What they did not know was that my family was in big debt and we always moved from house to house.") Since his face made him look like a "rich" kid, I added the word "ironically" to emphasize the irony between the "rich face" and "collecting trash". That's my reason. In the same way, he also mentioned his mixed race the reason of bullying. Now that I think about it, bullying shouldn't have been included in my initial hook since ironically wouldn't fit that fact. IF my hook is still valid, I'll reword it into this: ALT6 ... that Juan Karlos Labajo ironically experienced collecting trash despite his rich look? Of course, the word "ironically" can still be removed if my reason is not enough. I also believe 'rich look' is not the right term but I can't think of any at this moment + Caucasian is probably the one that's making it subjective after all. It's not that I don't like your hooks, though. In the end, you will still be the last to decide. :) BTW, I already replied on my talk page concerning other stuff. Thank you! 001Jrm (talk) 06:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • - Well sourced (there are two YouTube 'references', but they're simply videos of his songs, which is exactly what the references were trying to illustrate), fits all of the necessary parameters, but, I would steer well clear of all of the proposed hooks.
How about: ALT7: ... that The Voice Kids contestant Juan Karlos Labajo was described by his coach as "the funniest kid I have ever met"? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 19:24, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for reviewing, Panyd. However, if you think none of the previous hooks are usable, then this certainly should not be given a tick. We'll need someone new to review your proposed hook, which I've renamed ALT7, since there's an ALT6 in 001Jrm's September 7 paragraph. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:28, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Noted for next time! :) PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:33, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
for Alt7 only. I'm hoping to unstick this one. Lots of debate above but no one is questioning its eligability, and some experienced editors have said they are happy. Panyd has proposed a good hook and I have just checked that its reffed in the article and its a reliable source. I dont want to open up old arguments and for that reason I have just looked at the last alt. Can we let this one go? Victuallers (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
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