Template:Did you know nominations/Karl Lindau
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
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Karl Lindau[edit]
Karl Lindau
... that the Austrian actor and librettist Karl Lindau (pictured) toured the United States, and wrote a farce Der Nazi in 1895? Source: several
- Reviewed: Serpula columbiana
Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC).
Article is new enough (created Jan 7, nominated Jan 14), long enough (>1500 characters), is suitably cited, and appears free from plagiarism, paraphrasing and non-neutral language. Assuming some good faith in translating from German Wikipedia since I can't properly vet the original German sources. Image is free and suitably licensed, QPQ done. The hook however needs a bit more consideration. It's not very interesting: an Austrian actor touring the United States is boring and not at all remarkable. A well written tease regarding an 1895 piece called "The Nazi" (we should use English) could be enticing, but I can't seem to actually verify it: the sources cited don't seem to mention "Der Nazi" with respect to Lindau, and I don't see the term "Nazi" in Lindau's WorldCat or DNB listing. (It would also be nice to explain what the name "Nazi" here refers to, as it predates the National Socialist party by some time: was it referring to "a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards farmer or peasant"?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animalparty (talk • contribs) 03:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking. At the time, German-language theatre was not common to tour the US, other than the big cities, - I'd say not even today. - [1] [2] [3] - Even if I knew what Nazi meant for him (probably you found out), I'd not say it in the hook, - readers should click to find out ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but the first part of the hook is not interesting to a broad audience, it requires the implicit foreknowledge that A: Lindau spoke German, B: German-language theatre was not common in the U.S. at the time. I think a hook's appeal should extend more broadly than German theatre historians. I've proposed an Alt1 hook, which is more broadly enticing, and shorter hooks are preferred.
- ALT1: ... that the Austrian actor and librettist Karl Lindau (pictured) co-wrote The Nazi, a comedy, in 1895? --Animalparty! (talk) 22:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- I got that ALT1 down here (from above my signature). Too tired to object, but I think co-writing one comedy is too small an aspect of an actor who excelled enough to be chosen for an international tour. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
requesting a review of Alt1. The point of DYK is not to encapsulate the most noteworthy fact of a subject, it is to draw in readers from diverse views (especially those who know nothing of the subject) with an interesting, surprising, or unusual fact. The article itself doesn't suggest that he was 'chosen', nor that his touring the U.S. was remarkable or unusual in itself, merely that it happened and was successful. If there is more context in the German sources, please expand the article. Creating a comedy called "The Nazi" is hooky. Traveling to another country is not. --Animalparty! (talk) 23:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the lecture. I am known for wanting to give some knowledge about a subject even to those who will not click, but as you wish. - I didn't even write this article, and several more urgent things are waiting than expanding it. Happy Valentine! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- ALT1 sounds fine to me, but it might be a good idea to add more information about it on Lindau's article, if information could be found (this is optional by the way, and its non-inclusion won't affect this nomination). @LouisAlain: If you like ALT1, it will be approved, but if not, feel free to suggest another hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:24, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the lecture. I am known for wanting to give some knowledge about a subject even to those who will not click, but as you wish. - I didn't even write this article, and several more urgent things are waiting than expanding it. Happy Valentine! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- I got that ALT1 down here (from above my signature). Too tired to object, but I think co-writing one comedy is too small an aspect of an actor who excelled enough to be chosen for an international tour. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking. At the time, German-language theatre was not common to tour the US, other than the big cities, - I'd say not even today. - [1] [2] [3] - Even if I knew what Nazi meant for him (probably you found out), I'd not say it in the hook, - readers should click to find out ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm OK with ALT1 but couldn't find anything about his plays Heißes Blut (Hot Blood, 1892), and Ein armes Mädel (A Poor Girl, 1893). I've just added a ref from Gallica and will create stubs about the German names currently in red. LouisAlain (talk) 09:01, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
- ALT1 still needs to be reviewed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
