Template:Did you know nominations/Kieth Engen

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Kieth Engen

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• ... that Kieth Engen got his first role, Bluebeard, at the Bavarian State Opera because he was tall, also was the voice of Christ for Karl Richter, and had a pop career under a pseudonym?  Source: several
• ALT1: ... that Kieth Engen got his first role, Bluebeard, at the Bavarian State Opera because he was tall, had a pop career under a pseudonym, and was Karl Richter's first voice of Christ?

• Reviewed: David Scott
• Comment: He did many things well, - I trust wordsmiths will help to work on a hook, - this is more or less a placeholder

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Voceditenore (talk), and Kablammo (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 07:11, 4 June 2019 (UTC).

• This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Although I am approving this, I think the hook tries to stuff in too many facts and would suggest omitting the "voice of Christ" bit. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

• This is what I suggest promoting:
• ALT2: ... that American operatic bass Kieth Engen got his first role at the Bavarian State Opera as Bluebeard because he was tall? Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• ALT2 misses the irony of Bluebeard and Christ, and the extra of the pop career on which Kablammo worked, - repeating: He did many things well, while the short proposal suggests that being tall was his only qualification. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• Right. Well, let's keep this hook to two facts, as Cwmhiraeth also suggested. How about:
• ALT3: ... that American operatic bass Kieth Engen was the voice of Christ for Karl Richter and also had a pop career under a pseudonym? Yoninah (talk) 21:43, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• Drop "my" voice of Christ then, and leave Voce's tall Bluebeard and Kablammo's pop. Will miss the Bluebeard-Christ antagonism, but may be the only one. I had the TFA today, and a GA, - should be content. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• Really? The Franz Kafka article was your FC? Congratulations! I read it the last time it appeared on the MP and was very surprised that his friend disregarded his wishes to destroy everything. Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

• So we'll go with:
• ALT4: ... that operatic bass Kieth Engen got his first role, Bluebeard, at the Bavarian State Opera because he was tall, and also had a pop career under a pseudonym?  
• Restoring tick per Cwmhiraeth's review. Yoninah (talk) 22:26, 3 July 2019 (UTC)