Template:Did you know nominations/LaVere Redfield
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 08:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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LaVere Redfield
- ... that after LaVere Redfield's death 12 tons of silver dollars were found hidden in his garage and home? Source: 400,000 silver dollars found hidden in Redfield’s garage and mansion after his death were only a part of his treasure, that more might be buried elsewhere. 407,000 silver dollars 12 tons
** ALT1: ... that one of the richest thefts in U.S. history occurred when LaVere Redfield's home was robbed in 1952? Source: "Richest theft in U.S. History".
- ALT2: ... that LaVere Redfield was a potato digger who went on to become a millionaire? Source: No link because the potato part is from a book (The curious life of Nevada's LaVere Redfield : the silver dollar king), second part Net worth 70-200 million USD
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/SCR-720
Created by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 03:40, 10 June 2022 (UTC).
| General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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| Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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| Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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| QPQ: Done. |
Overall: 
Long enough, new enough, well-sourced, seems neutral. Doesn't look like a copyvio. Hooks are interesting; I like hooks no. 1 and 3 most. AGF on the source for hook no. 3. QPQ done. The only issue I see is that the article uses a different style for the dates in multiple places (On 30 April 1962...
On April 7, 1961...
29 October 1897 – 6 September 1974
Born: October 29, 1897 ... Died: September 6, 1974
); you need to chose one and be consistent throughout the article. Once that's done I will approve. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11: Thanks for the review. I thoroughly enjoyed working on this article. Thanks for finding that date format issue, I believe I corrected them all. Bruxton (talk) 20:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
@Bruxton, BeanieFan11, and Theleekycauldron: reopening this as the hook text in prep has changed quite significantly from what was approved, and now contains the frowned-upon phrase "believed to be" in relation to the hook fact. The same sentiment of "thought to be" is also expressed in the article, and will need to be attributed per WP:WEASEL. And then either stick to one of the above hooks, or phrase it suitably in the amended hook.
The hook text in Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2 at the time of reopening this read:
* ... that the burglary of LaVere Redfield's home in 1952 was believed to be the largest in U.S. history?
Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: The reviewer and myself liked Hook 0. The reviewer accidentally called hook 0... 1. Bruxton (talk) 13:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru and BeanieFan11: do we need another tick here? Thanks Bruxton (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- The source that hook was based on similarly weaseled out, I believe. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:44, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Nooooo. The article specifically says exactly what ALT0 says. The hook uses no WP:WEASEL words. It is precise. Bruxton (talk) 03:09, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but one of the sources (Spokane Daily Chronicle) says that it was "believed to be the biggest in United States history". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:13, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: The hook is not weaseling - that is what we apply weasel too, what we are stating in a wikivoice. The hook is stating an interesting fact supported by many news sources. Bruxton (talk) 03:28, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron and Amakuru: I do not know what is supposed to happen here. Someone promoted an unapproved hook from this nomination and added weasel words to it. Now the nom is stuck. ALT0 is supported and approved by both nominator and reviewer. It has no weaseling. Bruxton (talk) 11:30, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: The hook is not weaseling - that is what we apply weasel too, what we are stating in a wikivoice. The hook is stating an interesting fact supported by many news sources. Bruxton (talk) 03:28, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but one of the sources (Spokane Daily Chronicle) says that it was "believed to be the biggest in United States history". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:13, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Nooooo. The article specifically says exactly what ALT0 says. The hook uses no WP:WEASEL words. It is precise. Bruxton (talk) 03:09, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- The source that hook was based on similarly weaseled out, I believe. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:44, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru and BeanieFan11: do we need another tick here? Thanks Bruxton (talk) 03:56, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: The reviewer and myself liked Hook 0. The reviewer accidentally called hook 0... 1. Bruxton (talk) 13:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
@Bruxton: sorry for not responding to your earlier pings. For me, the issue was both with the altered hook (which wasn't approved) and also with the WEASEL statement in the article itself, saying the robbery was "thought to be" the biggest on record, without saying who thought that. I have no rectified that myself, by quoting the Spokane Daily Chronicle directly, so that issues is resolved. And since ALT0 was the hook originally proposed, I'm happy to reapprove that now on the same basis as its original approval. ALT0 good to go whenever a promoter comes along. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 11:48, 29 June 2022 (UTC)