Template:Did you know nominations/Lilian Benningsen

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Lilian Benningsen

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• ... that Lilian Benningsen, a singer at the Bavarian State Opera for decades, created the role of Carolina in Henze's Elegie für junge Liebende at the 1961 Schwetzingen Festival? Source: several, mostly Kutsch/Riemens but they have the year wrong.
  • ALT1:... that Lilian Benningsen, a singer at the Bavarian State Opera for decades, appeared as Carolina in the world premiere of Henze's Elegie für junge Liebende?
  • ALT2:... that Lilian Benningsen, who became a singer at the Bavarian State Opera for decades after her guest appearence as Verdi's Eboli, was Carolina in the world premiere of Henze's Elegie für junge Liebende?

• Reviewed: Mandy Moore (choreographer)
• Comment: The original hook is professional, the second for those who can't imagine what "create a role" means, and the third adding Eboli which must have been quite sensational, according to sources. If a date connection is wanted: DOD 12 June.

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:39, 5 June 2019 (UTC).

• I'm going to suggest a new hook here, letting another reviewer decide if it's good enough for DYK or not. I've also struck ALT0 and ALT2 as being too long and too complicated (and ALT0 uses the "created the role" terminology which consensus has determined is not appropriate for DYK purposes), keeping ALT1 as a hook that is direct to the point and explaining the main hook fact in a concise manner.

ALT3... that Austrian opera singer Lilian Benningsen was awarded the title Kammersängerin, and was given the Bavarian Order of Merit in 1970?

I am aware that you are not fond of hooks that mention the Kammersängerin term, but you have to understand that this is a mostly-unfamiliar term to non-opera audiences, and a mention of it in this form would be a good idea to introduce it to new readers. In addition, the statement "Her grave is in the Waldfriedhof in Gauting" lacks a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I added a re for the grave. I wouldn't mind mention Kammersängerin before her name, but please don't make it the ONLY thing we say about her, while first Carolina is something unique. Has been called demonic in a review. In the plot, she could have saved the lives of two young people by speaking, and remains silent in obedience to her Master. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

• Full review by new reviewer needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

• This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts for ALT1 and ALT3 are cited inline, but the nominator prefers ALT1. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:57, 9 July 2019 (UTC)