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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Jolly Ω Janner 06:39, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Limassol Carnival Festival[edit]

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  • ... that the Limassol Carnival Festival’ s (pictured a parade) starting day is also known as Taikopetti, a name attributed to the cooking aromas of meat?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self-nominated at 03:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC).

  • New enough and long enough, inline citations and references checks, factual and interesting hooks, close paraphrasing and neutrality is checked as well and approved, Good work, well done! This one is good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 14:24, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Pulled from the queue as the hook (specifically the term "taikopetti") is not in the source given. We will need another hook Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:12, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Ritchie333 Yes, proposing ALT1 hook ... that the Limassol Carnival Festival (pictured), which is said to be an old custom traced to pagan rituals, is now held as an entertaining event?Nvvchar. 02:10, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
  • ... which is in the article, with no less than two sources, but which I can't find in either of those: [1] and [2]. Please indicate precisely where this fact can be found, or if it isn't there please be a lot more careful in writing articles and in proposing hooks. Please also explain how this hook can be reconciled with the lead sentence that "The event which is very popular in Cyprus was introduced in the 20th century". Fram (talk) 08:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Even after 8 years of writing DYKs, this mistake is surely inexcusable. Sorry about it. I have changed the referencing, added a new reference (which I had missed posting earlier) on pagan rituals to substantiate the hook statement. Regarding the reference to 20th century in the lead, I had used a snippet from the book (ref1) which states "...held annually, the 12 days before Lent The Limassol Carnival has been held since the beginning of the 20th century." However, I have now modified the sentence.

That's three tries to get a correct hook, and three fails. Perhaps just drop this one completely (from DYK, I mean)? Your hook states

  • that the Limassol Carnival Festival, which is said to be an old custom traced to pagan rituals, is now held as an entertaining event?

The article states

  • Limassol Carnival Festival, which is said to be an old custom traced to pagan rituals,

And the source [3] states

  • the Limassol Carnival which is an event full of fun and joy, inspired by Pagan rituals and also the Festival of the Flood

Ignoring the fact that a Tumblr site promoting the Limassol Marathon is probably not the kind of WP:RS we need for the Limassol Carnival, there is quite a difference between an event inspired by Pagan rituals (every Carnival, that is), or a specific event traced to pagan rituals (Limassol Carnival, that is). That source doesn't indicate that the Limassol Carnival can be traced back to anything, it is a relatively recent event compared to some of the truly old (at least Medieval) Carnivals one can find in other places in Europe. If you can't find a truly reliable, good source for the claim that Limassol Carnival has some special link to pagan rituals (more so than the generic Carnival link with such rituals, that is), then why even include it? Fram (talk) 15:10, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Considering that previous problems with the article haven't even been corrected, this just isn't fit for the main page. It makes no sense to give someone a DYK credit when they repeatedly made such a poor job of this DYK nomination (and the accompanying article). There are plenty of unproblematic nominations we can use instead. Nvvchar also isn't some new user who is still learning the way we work here and needs encouragement in this. It's someone who displays on his user page a section with " 57 GA , 1408 DYK , 61 B and 115 C". Well, this one shouldn't be #1409. Fram (talk) 08:37, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

I withdraw this nomination.Nvvchar. 02:41, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
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