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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 00:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues

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List of Olympians and Paralympians from Peel, Ontario[edit]

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(note that for ALT2, I do have a medal chart that I just need to convert to wikicode and post)
  • Reviewed: Klallam language
  • Comment: I created this article in the draft space on February 1, but didn't release it into the mainspace until February 11.

Created by Zanimum (talk). Self nominated at 01:37, 14 February 2014 (UTC).

  • For the main hook, by "shut out" I think you mean "did not win a medal? Because athletes continued to compete. ALT1 is not sourced in the article (although it is stated). ALT2 is in the article, but the article needs some more references. Hawkeye7 (talk) 08:18, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Right, re: the term "shut out". I've modified it. I've added references for both McCredie and Laumann's roads now. Alt2 might be difficult to get done in a short time frame. There are reliable sources for each medal winner, but to try and get it all together before the end of the Olympics (I guess that hook works even better during the Paralympics, technically). -- Zanimum (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Struck original hook as being far too long at 225 characters. I was wondering on article's progress; it doesn't make sense to call for a new review if major expansion is ongoing, since significant additions will need to be reviewed even if the other sections have already been reviewed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:45, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Hi, just wondering how this is doing? Are there remaining issues? -- Zanimum (talk) 16:40, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Zanimum, I just asked the same thing of you right here not an hour ago: are you done with your expansion, or is it still continuing? The review shouldn't resume until you're done with the major work on the article, and you've made extensive changes in the past 48 hours. (I've just now adjusted the template, including the ALT hooks, to reflect the new name of the article. The template itself is fine where it is and should not be moved.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:59, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, the article is stable for review. -- Zanimum (talk) 12:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Long enough, new enough, QPQ done, no copyvios found. Please fix footnote 16 as it is bare.--Launchballer 19:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
ALT4: ... that half the medals won by Olympians from Peel, Ontario were won by Jeff Adams and Stephanie Dixon?--Launchballer 19:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Comment only - Launchballer you can't yet claim QPQ for this DYK. Your review does not include a full DYK check. What about sourcing? And which hooks have you checked? And which hook/s are you okaying? A more thorough job is needed here. EagerToddler39 (talk) 03:36, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 is uninteresting, ALT2 doesn't make grammatical sense and ALT3 is also uninteresting. I've looked at the sourcing and as far as the listing of names is concerned, I'd like to see at least one reference per name - this can be done by lifting references from other articles.--Launchballer 09:44, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I agree that the sourcing is a major issue, and that includes for ALT4: the one source given for Dixon says she won 19 medals between the three Paralympics, not the 17 listed (and the source does not give details beyond five gold in Sydney), and there is no sourcing at all for Adams, though his first two medals are listed under the Barcelona Olympics, not a Paralympics. I've struck ALT2 and ALT3 for the reasons given by Launchballer. ALT1, if the Olympians were listed first, might be interesting enough. ALT4 is simply inaccurate: whether there are 30 or 32 medals for Dixon and Adams combined, neither amount comes close to half of the total of 87 (or 89) for the entire area. At the moment, the article's sourcing is far too spotty for DYK—many of the games are completely unsourced, and several more have only a source or two—and any hook that involves medal totals must, at a minimum, account for all of the medals, something the article doesn't come close to doing. Also, the bare URL pointed out on April 18 hasn't been fixed yet. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
A mess, in other words. My previous comment was posted twelve days ago; I'm giving this another twelve days and then I'm closing it.--Launchballer 23:28, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I hadn't noticed that there was further action on this DYK. Per sourcing, I had a hard time with many, when I was actively updating the article. In many cases, I couldn't directly lift sources from the individual's articles, and the primary sources I was finding didn't necessarily note their Peel-birth or Peel-residency. The Canadian Olympic Committee and Canadian Paralympic Committee websites do have fairly complete profiles, but I was hoping to avoid using them as a source, as I didn't know if they'd be considered reliable. -- Zanimum (talk) 12:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: You said a rewriting of Alt1 might be of interest? How about:
ALT1:... that Nancy McCredie and Silken Laumann, Olympians from the Region of Peel, Ontario, have both had streets named after them?
-- Zanimum (talk) 12:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Zanimum, I'm pretty sure past Olympic and Paralympic athlete articles have used country committees as reliable sources of information. I don't see that you have a choice: if you don't have any sources, the article can't possibly pass, so you'll need to add something reasonable, and they seem to be it. I added a "the" to your ALT1, since it doesn't make grammatical sense without. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:57, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
  • There has been no response here or edits to the article, and the nominator has been active on Wikipedia over the past nine days. As the expansion began over three and a half months ago, and there's a ton of work still to be done, I'm closing the nomination as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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