Template:Did you know nominations/List of journalists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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List of journalists killed during the Russo-Ukrainian War
The airstrike on Kyiv TV Tower
- ... that the Russian airstrike (video shown) on Kyiv TV Tower killed Yevhenii Sakun, one of at least 14 civilian journalists killed in the line of duty during the Russo-Ukrainian War? Source: "A Ukrainian cameraman has been named as one of the five people who died during a Russian missile strike on a TV tower in Kyiv on Tuesday. ... Ukrainian journalist Olga Tokariuk confirmed that ... Yevhenii Sakun had been killed; 8 killed in Ukraine in 2014–15, 7 of them related to war; 7 killed in 2022 as of 5 April
- ALT1: ... that at least 14 civilian journalists have been killed in the line of duty during the Russo-Ukrainian War, including five during the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine? Source: 8 killed in Ukraine in 2014–15, 7 of them related to war; 7 killed in 2022 as of 5 April
- Comment: This is my first DYK, so please feel free to fix anything I did wrong, or let me know if there's anything further I need to do. The first hook given here is for if this is an image hook; the second is for if it isn't (although I suppose nothing prevents the second from being used with the file in question). Note that while this did originate as a fork of List of journalists murdered in Ukraine, there's essentially no prose in common between this and what I forked. See [1]. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 03:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Updated numbers, sadly. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:23, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Added "in the line of duty" to avoid ambiguity addressed on talkpage (TL;DR two journalists were killed in circumstances unrelated to their work as journalists). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 20:05, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Increment again, sadly. As with last time, adding a third source until the CPJ database updates. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 17:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Sigh. 14. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 04:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Created by Tamzin (talk). Self-nominated at 03:37, 18 March 2022 (UTC).
- @Tamzin:
looks like this one's been sitting around for a bit, so I'll pick it up. New enough (at time of nomination), long enough, neutral, and plagiarism-free (foreign-language citations notwithstanding, agf); small sourcing issue below. ALTs 0 and 1 are cited and interesting, the video is freely licensed, used in the article, and while not clear at 100px, it isn't played at 100px either, so that doesn't apply. QPQ not required for first-time nominator; we're almost there. Welcome to DYK, Tamzin! :D theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Little has been independently reported about Shakirov.
this one's uncited at the end of a paragraph; we've had some problems in the past with treating lack of evidence as evidence of lack, it may stray into OR territory. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:11, 2 April 2022 (UTC)- @Theleekycauldron: That was part of my attempt, based on discussion on talk, to not state anything in the encyclopedia's voice, not even to state with certainty that Shakirov existed (while at the same time not getting into the OR of saying "There's a nonzero chance that he was made up as part of a propaganda effort"). It's always hard to walk the line between V/RS and OR/SYNTH when acknowledging sourcing issues, and I added the line in question after a pretty exhaustive dive into English sources, followed by Ymblanter looking through Russian sources, and then me looking through machine-translated Ukrainian sources. I thus felt it fair under WP:SYNTHNOTSUMMARY and WP:NOTJUSTANYSYNTH to say little has been reported about him. But I see your point. What would you think of something like The BBC reported Venediktova's claims but did not independently confirm them, referencing [2]? Maybe that gets the same point home without the same issues. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: fair enough- that adjustment works, and I definitely see what you were driving at. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:
Done. :)-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:31, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
then we're good to go! :D theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:21, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:
- @Tamzin: fair enough- that adjustment works, and I definitely see what you were driving at. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: That was part of my attempt, based on discussion on talk, to not state anything in the encyclopedia's voice, not even to state with certainty that Shakirov existed (while at the same time not getting into the OR of saying "There's a nonzero chance that he was made up as part of a propaganda effort"). It's always hard to walk the line between V/RS and OR/SYNTH when acknowledging sourcing issues, and I added the line in question after a pretty exhaustive dive into English sources, followed by Ymblanter looking through Russian sources, and then me looking through machine-translated Ukrainian sources. I thus felt it fair under WP:SYNTHNOTSUMMARY and WP:NOTJUSTANYSYNTH to say little has been reported about him. But I see your point. What would you think of something like The BBC reported Venediktova's claims but did not independently confirm them, referencing [2]? Maybe that gets the same point home without the same issues. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:03, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Courtesy ping that I've updated the hooks in light of the killing of Mantas Kvedaravičius. There was some discussion on talk as to whether he counts as a journalist for our purposes, but I see the Committee to Protect Journalists as authoritative here. Not sure what the etiquette is on who I update if I need to change the hook; do please let me know if it's something other than this. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 04:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: should be all right if you leave a record on the nompage every time you update the hook—that way, the promoter can check with any modifications to the article since I ticked the nom and make sure the numbers check out. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
