Template:Did you know nominations/List of songs written by Alicia Keys
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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 00:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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List of songs written and recorded by Alicia Keys[edit]
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... that although the debut studio album by Alicia Keys is called Songs in A Minor, only one song is actually composed in the key of A minor?
5x by Calvin999 (talk). Self nominated at 13:47, 15 June 2013 (UTC).
5x (I know you created it too, but the recent 5x is what matters for the DYK nom), long, neutral. If the text is lifted from other articles, remember to say so and link within the edit summaries. Hook is interesting! But a problem: the source is a Sputnikmusic contributor review, not a staff member, and therefore not a reliable source (see 101 and 120.) If you can find a good replacement citation, the rest looks all right. czar · · 04:53, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- The text isn't lifted from other articles, I wrote the lead entirely and the table doesn't count as part of the expansion. Yeah I will try and substitute that ref because it is really interesting. — AARON • TALK 12:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry to say, but that site won't work either. An old RSN post made me suspicious, and a quick search determined that the "review" is just the lede section of the Songs in A Minor WP article. It could be possible that it's hard to source because it isn't true (which is why we're checking). Want to keep searching, or propose an alt? czar · · 04:02, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that Alicia Keys is credited as the sole writer of "Fallin'"? — AARON • TALK 22:31, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
- This hook doesn't pass verification in the source czar · · 05:32, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes it does, it's from the booklet. — AARON • TALK 10:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
That's disingenuous—you just changed the source in-between my flagging it and your post. I would expect that between the amount of time we've both spent on this and your expertise on the subject that you'd find a suitable online source for the relatively simple statement, but I'll leave that as a suggestion. I AGF that the citation's in the booklet and that you've checked it. czar · · 09:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- The album booklet for the writer(s) is the best source you can use for it. Of course I've checked it, I've checked all songs in that entire list which takes forever and a day to do. If you google images "alicia keys songs in a minor booklet" and click on the second picture with her hand across her mouth, you will see that it says Fallin' (Alicia Keys). All I did was put the booklet source in the lead next to that sentence. I know what I'm talking about with these lists, I've had 7 of them promoted to FL. If booklets weren't accepted, I wouldn't use them in the first place. Fact is, you can't get any more reliable than a booklet for writers, as well as production and other personnel. I've posted DYK noms before with the supporting evidence as the booklet but no one has ever had a problem with it. — AARON • TALK 10:16, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem with it either, and I don't doubt your expertise on this topic. However, I did find a major issue with your original hook, so it's my role as reviewer to be skeptical about this article's sourcing no matter how many FLs you've had. But it is already ticked as AGF and I hope that will be enough. czar · · 16:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- The album booklet for the writer(s) is the best source you can use for it. Of course I've checked it, I've checked all songs in that entire list which takes forever and a day to do. If you google images "alicia keys songs in a minor booklet" and click on the second picture with her hand across her mouth, you will see that it says Fallin' (Alicia Keys). All I did was put the booklet source in the lead next to that sentence. I know what I'm talking about with these lists, I've had 7 of them promoted to FL. If booklets weren't accepted, I wouldn't use them in the first place. Fact is, you can't get any more reliable than a booklet for writers, as well as production and other personnel. I've posted DYK noms before with the supporting evidence as the booklet but no one has ever had a problem with it. — AARON • TALK 10:16, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes it does, it's from the booklet. — AARON • TALK 10:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
