Template:Did you know nominations/Mammillaria spinosissima
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The result was: promoted by Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
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Mammillaria spinosissima[edit]
Mammillaria spinosissima var. 'rubrispina' ('Super Red'), also known as spiny pincushion cactus
- ... that Mammillaria spinosissima (pictured) – endemic to central Mexico – produce generally bright red berries that are club-shaped, smooth, and juicy?
- Reviewed: This is my fourth DYK nomination, so I'll probably start reviewing them soon, but after I learn a little more about the expectations.
5x expanded by Rationalobserver (talk). Self-nominated at 23:21, 2 September 2015 (UTC).
This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough, and has also become a GA since nomination. The hook facts have inline citations, the image (photographed by the nominator) is properly licensed, the article is neutral and conforms to policy. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:56, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Hold up there. The cited text appears to be "The flowers are usually small and borne profusely in rings like a garland around the apex of the stem; they are succeeded by smooth, juicy, club-shaped berries, usually of brilliant red colour, which are a colourful sight in autumn." - that doesn't fully support the quote. There's nothing about "finely textured" unless that's a rather poor attempt to rewrite "smooth". Also, some ambiguity was lost - "usually [...] red" is not the same as "red". Can we fix this? @Rationalobserver: Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:11, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: Yes. I wrote "finely textured" as a way of paraphrasing "smooth". What do you suggest? RO(talk) 15:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Rationalobserver: I'd say "smooth" was basically a technical term in this case. There's a fairly standard descriptive language in botany. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:46, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- I don't mind changing it, but finely textured is a perfectly acceptable paraphrase: ([1]). Can I just edit the suggested hook, or do I have to make another one with this change? Also, do you think I should include "usually"? RO(talk) 16:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Rationalobserver: I think "smooth" is by far a more generally understandable term for a lay audience to be given. I think we can just edit the hook. As for "usually" - maybe paraphase that to "generally" or the like, but I think it would be useful. Given "club-shaped" is a standard term - found three sources using it, some referring to the genus - I'd say that "generally bright red berries that are club-shaped, smooth, and juicy" would be a reasonable phrasing? It's different enough to avoid any accusations of copyvio, but keeps the terms that are generally used in botany. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me, Adam. I made the suggested edit. Thanks for taking a look! RO(talk) 16:19, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- MOVED TO PREP AREA 2. Also, where the hell are the instructions hiding nowadays? I can't find the exact phrasing you're meant to use on these things, and it's not been THAT long since I last did a promotion here. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:33, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me, Adam. I made the suggested edit. Thanks for taking a look! RO(talk) 16:19, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Rationalobserver: I think "smooth" is by far a more generally understandable term for a lay audience to be given. I think we can just edit the hook. As for "usually" - maybe paraphase that to "generally" or the like, but I think it would be useful. Given "club-shaped" is a standard term - found three sources using it, some referring to the genus - I'd say that "generally bright red berries that are club-shaped, smooth, and juicy" would be a reasonable phrasing? It's different enough to avoid any accusations of copyvio, but keeps the terms that are generally used in botany. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- I don't mind changing it, but finely textured is a perfectly acceptable paraphrase: ([1]). Can I just edit the suggested hook, or do I have to make another one with this change? Also, do you think I should include "usually"? RO(talk) 16:03, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Rationalobserver: I'd say "smooth" was basically a technical term in this case. There's a fairly standard descriptive language in botany. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:46, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Adam Cuerden: Yes. I wrote "finely textured" as a way of paraphrasing "smooth". What do you suggest? RO(talk) 15:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
