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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Marie-Louise Lacoste

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  • ... that the diaries of 19th-century Montreal philanthropist Lady Lacoste have givengive historians a rare look into how emotions impacted the lives of women in her social class? Source: "The present article addresses the diarist's joy, which occurred in specific circumstances, especially when she was fulfilling the duty she felt to be her own as a catholic, bourgeois woman and felt herself to be on a path towards paradise. By studying the joys of the diarist, this article intends to shed new light on Globensky's vision of the world and on her motivations, as well as on the power relationships in the Montréal society to which she belonged." (Doucet (English abstract)); "Le journal de Marie-Louise Lacoste constitue un rare et précieux témoignage sur la façon dont une mère pouvait vivre le deuil d’un enfant, à une époque où, à Montréal, un bébé sur quatre mourrait avant d’avoir un an." [Marie-Louise Lacoste's diary is a rare and precious testimony to how a mother could cope with the loss of a child, at a time when, in Montreal, one in four babies would die before they were one year old.] (Les Journaux Intimes)
    • ALT1:... that while 19th-century Lady Lacoste raised her children with strict Victorian morals, refusing to allow them to ride bicycles, she encouraged their interest in theatre? Source: ""Lady Lacoste apparaît en effet comme le prototype de grande dame victorienne…Si Lady Lacoste assiste à la messe quotidiennement, impose à ses adolescents l’assistance aux vêpres dominicales et leur interdit la bicyclette ou les baignades publiques au nom de la pudeur, en revanche, pas une reunion de famille importante n’a lieu sand que les Lacoste ne se livrent aux improvisations lyriques ou dramatiques du théâtre amateur. [Lady Lacoste indeed appears as the prototype of a great Victorian lady ... If Lady Lacoste attends mass daily, imposes on her adolescents attendance at Sunday vespers and forbids them to ride a bicycle or public bathing in the name of modesty, on the other hand , not an important family reunion takes place without the Lacoste family doing the lyrical or dramatic improvisations of amateur theater]" (Marie Gerin-Lajoie)

Created by SusunW (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 22:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC).

Interesting life on fine sources, French accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I like the original hook better, but the ALT works also. I wonder if the original might stop after "women", because what does "of her class" mean when no class is given, unless we assume that lower class wouldn't be diarists. The number of children would be interesting, but not all seem to have reached an age to ride a bike. I could imagine a crop of the image to go with this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Gerda, thanks for the review. I referred to her as "Lady" rather than by her first name to emphasize that she was of a higher class (her husband was knighted). Personally, I think the image is smudgy at thumbnail size. Yoninah (talk) 00:22, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining. Lady didn't make me think of class, - learning! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
  • @SusunW: Is Lady Lacoste sufficient for readers' understanding, or should we call her Lady Marie-Louise Lacoste in the hook? Yoninah (talk) 11:56, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
    • @SusunW: I also don't have to refer to her as a philanthropist. I was struggling to find the right word there. ... that Montreal lady ... didn't sound right. Resident? No. Please help. Yoninah (talk) 11:58, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
      "from Montreal"? - I sort of like philantropist, or whatever else as a summary of what she stood for beyond emotions and children. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
      • @Yoninah and Gerda Arendt: Her common name in the sources was "Lady Lacoste". I never know how to style titles, so I asked Ian and he said name it Louise-Marie Lacoste, but then style the opening as I have. Lady Lacoste looks right to me, as I never saw any source call her Lady Louise-Marie anything. Philanthropist is also what the sources called her, but of course also patroness or benefactor, but those sound pretty dated to my mind. Thank you both for your work on her. SusunW (talk) 14:19, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
        How is this then (to arrive at "her" a bit sooner):
ALT2: ... that the diaries of Lady Lacoste, a 19th-century philanthropist from Montreal, have given historians a rare look into how emotions impacted the lives of women in her social class? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks. So I'd like to stick with ALT0. Yoninah (talk) 14:24, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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