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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 17:51, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Mass in B minor structure[edit]

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Johann Sebastian Bach

  • Comment: will review and add

Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 08:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

  • Wouldn't a slightly better formatting of this hook be "... that towards the end of his life, Johann Sebastian Bach compiled from earlier and new music his Mass in B minor and structured it in four parts?" The current link looks a bit awkward. Also I'm not even sure this article shouldn't be merged with the article on the B minor itself. Abyssal (talk) 14:08, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I am also not sure about a merge, see talk of the Mass. The article came into being because the other one is so questionable. DYK might raise awareness for the need to improve it ;) - I don't like the link to only "structured" at all, the Mass is the topic. - We had similar DYK for Messiah (see talk for the hooks), created to "unload" unwanted details from the FA Messiah (Handel), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, but the B minor article is alot shorter than Messiah. I'm also not sure about the idea of starting a new forked article because of problems with the original. Also, the message on the talk page isn't really clarifying things much for me. I admit that I don't know anything in particular about classical music, I'm not trying to obstruct your nomination, I just want to perform due diligence as a reviewer here since som aspects of this nomination seem fishy. Abyssal (talk) 17:55, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • English is not my first language, please explain fishy. I asked on the talk of the Mass that the tempo markings not by Bach please be removed. This was in 2010, nothing happened. So I started the table that has the tempo markings by Bach, no other, and a lot of additional information, like the scoring for each individual movement. I think this should be known, and DYK is one way to do so. I would like to add more on individual movements, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:29, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • When I said "fishy" I meant that it seems like the creation of this page may not agree well with site policy. Abyssal (talk) 19:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

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  • I wouldn't call this a dispute like it says in the template, but I think someone else should come and look at this nomination. Abyssal (talk) 19:53, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I'm not saying I'm against articles on the structure of classical pieces, I'm saying I'm not sure this shouldn't be a section within the original article, which was too short to justify creating spin off articles. Abyssal (talk) 15:54, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I have to agree with Abyssal. This article is essentially a split from Mass in B minor, not really new content. Given the extensive overlap between this article and the main article about the Mass (which is not excessively long), it's difficult to justify treating this as a separate article. --Orlady (talk) 00:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
  • fine with me, I will expand much later as promised (but if you think it's no new content look a bit closer please), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Mostly it's duplication of subject matter. The content is different, but this article covers some of the same subject-matter territory as that other article -- and it doesn't go much beyond the scope of that article. --Orlady (talk) 02:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Agree. It's the start to replace the former, which I questioned in 2010 (see talk), and nothing happened. It will take a few months. I don't care about this DYK, the B Minor Mass is my long time pet project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
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