Template:Did you know nominations/Matthias Hanke
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:57, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
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Matthias Hanke
Matthias Hanke in 2018
... that Matthias Hanke (pictured), responsible for the Protestant church music in Württemberg, held concerts and events in an "empty" church at St. Martin in Sindelfingen?Source: several- Reviewed:
to come - Comment: this was moved from draft after a long slumber
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Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC).
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The article doesn't explicitly say he held concerts and events in "an empty church" at St. Martin in Sindelfingen I know it says He founded the Sindelfinger Bachtage festival and a project "Raum geben - die leere Martinskirche" (Give space - the empty church St. Martin), with interdisciplinary concert and service formats
but I think this should be reworded to make it clearer. Other than that, after a QPQ is done, this nomination is good to go. Steelkamp (talk) 13:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review, Steelkamp! I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Assumption of the Virgin (Palma Vecchio). - Can you help with the phrasing? English is not my first language. I tried to indicate by the quotation marks that it is not a truly empty church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh. I didn't realise the church wasn't actually empty. I've moved the quotation marks in the hook as I think that makes it a bit clearer. I take it that the empty church is just a name? I've tried attempting to read the German Wikipedia article and the source but I think something is being lost in translation, so I would like a second opinion. Steelkamp (talk) 03:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry for not being clearer. They took out the seats/benches and such stuff, but there were performers with their equipment, and audience, so not empty. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Steelkamp: Does this help move the nomination along? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't feel comfortable completing this review and would like a second opinion. Steelkamp (talk) 10:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't feel comfortable completing this review and would like a second opinion. Steelkamp (talk) 10:06, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Steelkamp: Does this help move the nomination along? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:49, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
- I am sorry for not being clearer. They took out the seats/benches and such stuff, but there were performers with their equipment, and audience, so not empty. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh. I didn't realise the church wasn't actually empty. I've moved the quotation marks in the hook as I think that makes it a bit clearer. I take it that the empty church is just a name? I've tried attempting to read the German Wikipedia article and the source but I think something is being lost in translation, so I would like a second opinion. Steelkamp (talk) 03:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Apologies, I am not used to editing via my phone, so cannot offer a totally new review, or write out a complete hook with links etc. However I would suggest a new hook that includes running a choir (or whatever he did) at age 14. That is impressive. Storye book (talk) 19:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book and Gerda Arendt: How about: ALT1
... that Matthias Hanke (pictured) directed a church choir and a trombone choir at the age of 14?Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)- Thank you for the offer but why would anybody click on that? - Certainly not me. I'd like to know what makes someone notable, not just some early feat. de:Posaunenchor - the typical brass ensemble of Protestant churches in Germany with many more instruments than trombones - has no good English equivalent, therefore I'd rather go for organ:
- ALT1a:
... that Matthias Hanke (pictured), responsible for the Protestant church music in Württemberg, was organist and led a church choir at the age of 14?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)- That suggestion seems really long and doesn't get straight to the point, the point being he was a church director at such a young age. Mentioning the Württemberg part would just distract from the hook point. We recently had a discussion over at WT:DYKSTATS that showed that long and winding hooks tended to underperform clicks-wise, and so it may be a good idea in this case to focus on one main good point rather than trying to juggle two or more hook facts, since the latter could make people less inclined to learn more about Hanke. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- How about the following: you make your hooks as you like them, and let me make my hooks as I like them. We have a limit of 200 chars, and no goal to be as short and general as possible. Some day - hopefully in a distant future - Mr. Hanke will die, and the hook go to the list, and having said no more than that he started early seems to do no justice to what he achieved. - I placed the age 14 at the end because you taught me to get the punch to the end. For the superlative-seekers:
- ALT1b:
... that Matthias Hanke (pictured), who was organist and led a church choir at the age of 14, went on to become the youngest Kirchenmusikdirektor in Württemberg?- However, Landeskirchenmusikdirektor is a far higher position (region vs. district), and by now a younger one may exist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1c
... that Matthias Hanke (pictured), organist and choral director at age 14, became Wurtemburg's Kirchenmusikdirektor? - Sorry please format for me. Still struggling via phone. Keeps crashing. Storye book (talk) 20:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer, but the source doesn't say he was choir director, only that he led the choir, which can have been sometimes, not making repertoire choices, - we don't know. And don't you think that "responsible for the Protestant church music in Württemberg" is easier to grasp than the longish Landeskirchenmusikdirektor, - just Kirchenmusikdirektor is for the (smaller) district. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1c
- ALT2
... that Matthias Hanke (pictured), organist and choral leader by age 14, was in due course responsible for the Protestant church music in Württemberg?Storye book (talk) 08:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC) - Thank you for your patience with me previously. It took three attempts to write and post ALT1c via my phone. I have broadband on pc today, not sure if it's permanent yet. Storye book (talk) 08:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for not giving up! I like ALT2. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2
- Thank you again in return, for your patience. I think my broadband problem may now have been resolved by the provider (man up pole in my street, then I get to edit stuff again), so please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Storye book (talk) 15:08, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- New reviewer still needed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- Passing through and wanted to offer this slight tweak to ALT2 which is the strongest of the lot:
- ALT2a: ... that Matthias Hanke (pictured), organist and choral leader by age 14, was in due course responsible for all Protestant church music in Württemberg?
- (In other words, inserted "all" to replace the "the" before "Protestant" which sounds a bit odd in English, plus the Kirchenmusikdirektor page suggests that "all" is correct, although I guess going with "all" would require a corresponding tweak in the article text for Matthias Hanke. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:08, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry that English is not my native language, so I'm not sure about that "all". If it's the better phrasing please feel free to change it in the article as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- I would be happy to green-tick ALT2a, if someone would please change "the Protestant church music" to "all Protestant church music" in the article? Storye book (talk) 09:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Done. I've changed it in the article now. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:04, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Thank you, Cielquiparle. Good to go, with ALT2a. Storye book (talk) 11:05, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Done. I've changed it in the article now. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:04, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- I would be happy to green-tick ALT2a, if someone would please change "the Protestant church music" to "all Protestant church music" in the article? Storye book (talk) 09:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry that English is not my native language, so I'm not sure about that "all". If it's the better phrasing please feel free to change it in the article as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Storye book: You or Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) might want to strike all the unapproved hooks so there is no error with the wrong hook getting promoted down the line (happens more often than you would think). Cielquiparle (talk) 11:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)