Template:Did you know nominations/Max Auschnitt
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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Max Auschnitt
Portrait photograph of Auschnitt
- ... that billionaire Max Auschnitt (pictured) bribed Romanian authorities, and worked with "an anti-Semite, but a civilized one", to help Jews escape The Holocaust? For him and Neumann bribing Maria Antonescu to obtain that Jews spared Nazi extermination, see Ioanid, The Holocaust in Romania: The Destruction of Jews and Gypsies under the Antonescu Regime, 1940–1944, pp. 242–243; Auschnitt's own account about his cooperation with "civilized anti-Semite" Arthur Tester is from Deletant, British Clandestine Activities in Romania during the Second World War, p. 115
- ALT1:... that in 1944 Romanian Jewish billionaire Max Auschnitt (pictured) escaped Romania in a Heinkel He 111, despite being kept under observation by Adolf Eichmann? Flight described in Deletant, pp. 114, 223, 233 and (in Romanian) Sorin Turturică, "Aripile libertății: aviatorii români fug din raiul comunist", in Historia, April 2014; for the Eichmann pursuit, see (in Romanian) Mictat Gârlan, "Experiența României în dreptul minorităților până la alegerea lui Klaus Iohannis ca președinte al românilor", in Revista Inovația Socială, Vol 7, Issue 2, June–December 2015, p. 8
- Reviewed: David Morgan (pilot)
5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 19:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC).
- Length and currency: Expanded from 1578 to over 46,000 prose characters between 26-28 August - easily long enough, more than 5x expanded within timeframe.
- Sources: Very well sourced
- QPQ: Done
- Copyvio: Earwig found no problems and on a quick read it doesn't have any obvious close copied paraphrasing.
- Neurality: Clearly written with a neutral tone.
- Image: In the public domain
- Hook:
ALTO is good and eye-catching, sourced and clearly stated in the text. Only print sources so accept on good faith. However, "civilized anti-Semite" is in quotes, when on your own admission that is not the statement in the source, so that shouldn't be in quote marks - it is your own paraphrasing. I think the original "an anti-Semite, but a civilised one", has a better ring to it anyway. If you could put that in the hook, and change it in the text to match I could approve that. - General: Dahn has put a lot of work into this article. It is not a DYK issue, but I would recommend making the lead shorter and less detailed, just cover the gist and bald facts (he was billionaire steel magnate, member of Romainian Senate, helped Jews escape the Holocaust, found guilty of treason, later emigrated to the US) - explanations can be read in the body of the text. Most readers won't know anything about the Romainian steel industry or the country's politics so it would be better to lead them and entice them into the article gently. At the moment the lead is bit stodgy. Felixkrater (talk) 13:12, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
- @Felixkrater: Thank you for the review and suggestion, I have updated the hook and the text. I will respectfully disagree on the lead, as what I have is quite consistent with WP:LEAD, and in fact the current version only has basic facts -- there may be many facts, but his life was quite full of events; there are in fact no explanations, just summaries of controversies, all of which reached at least a national level. Your selection of facts for the lead is also quite subjective and directed by what you read in the hooks; however, most sources referring to Auschnitt would focus on his status in the camarilla and his fall from grace, or on his attempts to moutn resistance to communism a decade after. (His being a member of the Senate is comparatively obscure, btw.) Also note that he was not simply "found guilty of treason", but found guilty of treason by a communist regime, on grounds that are part shaky, and, if true, would refer to him doing something that was quite decent. Your summary also glosses over the fact that this was the man's second show trial, as he had been tried once before, by the very regime that he had sustained, and on equally idiotic charges. Also, how could the lead not mention something which is the main reason why Max Auschnitt is still discussed in the study of Romanian fascism: that, for whatever reason, he financed a fascist movement. Dahn (talk) 13:25, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
- Ok Dahn, it was just a suggestion. When you have put a of lot of work and care into an article, as you obviously have with this one, it is not always easy to be objective and an outside view can be helpful. Thanks for responding so quickly.
, Good to go, Approving ALT0. Felixkrater (talk) 14:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
