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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

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Mazeno Peak[edit]

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Created/expanded by Mehrajmir13 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:04, 31 January 2019 (UTC).

  • A new hook needs to be proposed here as the current one is very difficult to understand. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Might still need a little more rephrasing, to be honest. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:59, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that Mazeno (7,120 metres or 23,360 feet) in Gilgit-Baltistan, Pakistan, has the longest ridge route of any eight thousander? Source: At ten kilometres in length, the Mazeno is the longest route to the summit of an 8,000-metre peak
ALT3 ... that Mazeno, located on the Nanga Parbat massif, has the longest ridge route of any eight thousander in the world? Source: At ten kilometres in length, the Mazeno is the longest route to the summit of an 8,000-metre peak
ALT4 ... that Mazeno Peak (7,120 metres or 23,360 feet) is the highest peak of Pakistan's Mazeno Ridge? Source: At ten kilometres in length, the Mazeno is the longest route to the summit of an 8,000-metre peak  MehrajMir (talk) 11:22, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
All of the suggestions above need to be checked for grammar and all feel a bit too cumbersome or complicated for DYK. I see some potential with ALT1, but the grammar has to be fixed first. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:37, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Grammar fixt. — LlywelynII 20:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Mazeno is not an eight thousander. It leads to the eight thousander, Nanga Parbat, so edited that mistake in first sentence and removed at least two statements not in the sources given. Approved all hooks for citation. Suggest ALT2 or hook to the effect of ALT2 as opinion. Pinging @Mehrajmir13: to ask for QPQ (you must review another DYK for your nomination to qualify) ~ R.T.G 15:36, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

If you think the nom is good to go, you just explain that and post your tick mark. The other guys'll handle closing the discussion and editing the template. — LlywelynII 20:07, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Rgr, tnky o7 ~ R.T.G 20:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@RTG:--Which hook are you passing? DYK reviewing guidelines ask reviewers to strike out all hooks other than the approved one; for a quick understanding. ∯WBGconverse 11:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: Done, ~^\\\.rT'{~ g 14:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Drive-by comment: Mehrajmir13 your use of measurements in this and other hooks is confusing. You don't have to say everything in a hook; you just have to be hooky :) Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • (orange butt icon Buttinsky) I should suggest using the word "mountain" after eight thousander. Removing the numbers and/or changing to "any eight thousander mountain" on ALT2 is automatically accepted by me as reviewer or will be ~^\\\.rT'{~ g 23:40, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Several questionable sources have been removed from the article since the review, and the article, as it stands, is virtually unsourced. If no one is willing to take up this article and improve it, this will need to be closed. feminist (talk) 03:38, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
I propose adopting the nomination and to this end have reverted the article to a previous version. A new review is needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:41, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Are you still planning on working on this? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:54, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: As far as I am concerned, the article is fully sourced now and is awaiting review in the normal way. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:06, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Article currently a stub, although it does meet 1500-char standard so I am open to a re-assessment. As mentioned previously, there are a few possibly unreliable sources used in the article. I have removed SummitPost as it's clearly user-generated, but I'm unsure about the other two; perhaps @Winged Blades of Godric: could explain?
  • Additionally, I feel like the article has something of an identity crisis and seems to be talking about the Mazeno Ridge more than the Mazeno Peak, despite its title.
  • As for the hook, it still needs some rephrasing. I suggest dropping extraneous information about its location and height. 'longest ridge route' also reads awkwardly. – Teratix ₵ 04:23, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
@Teratix: The article is no longer a stub and I have added a couple or references. I think the article should be renamed "Mazeno Ridge", and I propose ALT5
  • ALT5 focuses too much on another subject (Nanga Parbat) and is also ambiguous (it could be referring to the first ascent of Nanga Parbat itself, rather than the first ascent via the ridge). ALT2 is the way to go, but it just needs some rephrasing. – Teratix ₵ 06:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
@Teratix: Try again. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:11, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • According to the sources, it's actually the longest route to any eight-thousander, not just in the Himalayas. For ALT2b: instead of "longest ridge route to any eight thousander", what about "longest ridge that leads to an eight-thousander"? – Teratix ₵ 11:25, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @Teratix: I'm not bothered about including the word "Himalayas", but I think we should include "route", because the source states "At ten kilometres in length, the Mazeno is the longest route to the summit of an 8,000-metre peak". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:54, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • The two mean the same thing. I would even prefer "that leads to an eight-thousander" to avoid possible close paraphrasing. – Teratix ₵ 12:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • I do not think they mean the same thing. A ridge is referring to physical geography; a route is a human-selected way to get to a destination, which on a mountain may or may not involve a ridge. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm not saying "ridge" and "route" mean the same thing, I'm saying "x route to" and "x that leads to" mean the same thing. – Teratix ₵ 23:29, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
  • To sidestep this, what about saying "Mazeno Ridge is the longest route ..."? I just want to avoid the phrase "ridge route" which uses "ridge" as an adjective in an awkward way. – Teratix ₵ 01:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I don't like that because a route is so indeterminate; it may finish at the summit but who can say where it starts? I think "ridge route" is perfectly acceptable, and in common usage. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:38, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
  • I have never seen "ridge route" used in this manner and it just seems like poor English, using a noun as an adjective. Comparing "Mezano Ridge is the longest route" and "Mezano is the longest ridge route", I don't see a substantial difference in meaning. The former is arguably closer to the source's meaning ("the Mazeno is the longest route to the summit") and seems a more elegant way to express it. – Teratix ₵ 03:14, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Nouns are frequently used as adjectives in English "an afternoon stroll" or "a country walk" for example. But I am not interested in this article and endless discussion about the hook, I was only trying to help when the original author stopped editing. So please approve some hook or other, as long as it accurately reflects the article and source. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Certain nouns, yes, but the construction can sometimes be inelegant and here it creates the impression of a special category of routes ("ridge routes") which doesn't match the source. I would really like to approve an ALT2 variant, I think it's the most interesting fact about the subject, but if not ALT5a is fine. I will give the tick once the move discussion concludes. – Teratix ₵ 10:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @Teratix: I have moved the article and done quite a bit of work on it. I now think either ALT2c or ALT5c will do. By the way, it is totally immaterial that this nomination still refers to the article as "Moreno Peak", and any attempt to change the name of the template is unwise. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT5c is approved. @Cwmhiraeth: Thank you for the hard work you have done adopting this nomination, formulating hooks and expanding the article. – Teratix ₵ 13:39, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I have added my name to the credits. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
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