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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

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Melville Fuller

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Melville Fuller
Melville Fuller
  • Reviewed: This will be my fourth DYK, so I'm still exempt.
  • Comment: If you've ever wondered what law professors spend their time doing, now you know: writing scholarly articles about the "Great Mustache Debate of 1888".

Improved to Good Article status by Extraordinary Writ (talk). Self-nominated at 02:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - I'm not sure about how best to write The Sun (New York). The "the" appears to have been in the title. But The New York Sun is a different paper. I'm not sure it's essential to say it was a New York paper, so maybe we should just go with "that The Sun denounced..." Also, "U.S. Chief Justice" sounds a little weird; I think we should introduce "Supreme Court" at that point. Lastly, it's better to put the attribution after the fact than before. Putting those together, we have ALT0a: ...that U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Melville Fuller's mustache (pictured) was denounced as "deplorable" by the The Sun, which claimed that it distracted lawyers and debased the court's dignity?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Apart from the wording tweaks, this looks good. All criteria met (with some assumed to have been covered during GAN), and fact is exceptionally interesting. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, Sdkb. With regards to The Sun, my fear is that simply referring to The Sun would cause most people to think of the far more well-known The Sun (United Kingdom), which would put a completely different picture in their minds. (Most readers would think that the quoted remark was rather moderate for The Sun, considering the sort of antics for which it is known.) Since the source does refer to it specifically as the New York Sun, I think that might be the best course. The rest of your tweaks are fine. (My original "U.S. Chief Justice" phrasing was meant to mollify those who use the formal Chief Justice of the United States phrasing to claim that, in the words of one of history's great nitpickers, "There isn't any such person" as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. But in this case, I agree that the need for clarity outweighs the desire for precision.) So I'd propose the following, which is the same as your suggestion except for the New York Sun distinction: Alt0b: ... that U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Melville Fuller's mustache (pictured) was denounced as "deplorable" by the New York Sun, which claimed that it distracted lawyers and debased the court's dignity? Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Sounds good. for ALT0b. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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