Template:Did you know nominations/Michael Bambang Hartono

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The result was: promoted by Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:18, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Michael Bambang Hartono

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• ... that one of Indonesia's richest billionaires is also its oldest competitor in the 2018 Asian Games, and won a bronze medal? The Jakarta Post or South China Morning Post
  • ALT1: ... that one of Indonesia's richest billionaires is also the oldest Indonesian competitor to win a medal in the Asian Games? Source: Time: "is bidding to become Indonesia’s oldest Asian Games medal winner.". He won as per SCMP above
  • ALT2:... that after winning bronze in the 2018 Asian Games, Michael Bambang Hartono is eligible for a payout of Rp 200 million, or 0.000118% of his net worth? Net worth from SCMP above converted to IDR, 200 million figure from Tempo

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Red W Interactiva
• Comment: Expanded from 767 to 3938, just above 5x. Open to additional hooks.

5x expanded by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 17:29, 29 August 2018 (UTC).

• On it. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:15, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT3 is good to go. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

The article is fascinating, densely referenced and well written. Total bytes have not increased fivefold. However, the non-infobox wordage has, just; so I am going to accept that. The nominator has offered a review as QPQ but it is not clear to me that they have already submitted four or more earlier DYK noms, so it may not be required. On the hooks, I do not like the use of "athlete", and ALT2 is, IMO, overly detailed. Can I suggest:

ALT3: ... that one of Indonesia's richest billionaires was the oldest Indonesian medal winner at the 2018 Asian Games?

I would appreciate the nominator's opinion on this. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

• Some sources mention him as an athlete, so I would personally prefer an "athlete" there. Though, "medal winner" does imply an athlete so there's that. Juxlos (talk) 23:33, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

• @Juxlos: As I said, I have issues with a bridge player being described as an "athlete". If you could come up with a RS, not a newspaper report but something from the AGF or the WBF or similar, describing them as athletes then obviously I would reconsider. Alternatively, if you are happy with ALT3, which as you say rather fudges the issue, then I am happy to approve the nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:29, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• @Gog the Mild: The WBF mentions players as athletes here. Though, let's go with ALT3 anyway - it flows better. Juxlos (talk) 22:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• If you are happy with ALT3 then it is moot. ALT3 approved. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)