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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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Mungu ibariki Afrika[edit]

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  • ... that over 120 Jehovah's Witnesses objected to singing "God bless Africa" because they believed it suggests obeisance to the flag of Tanzania (pictured) over God?

5x expanded by The C of E (talk). Self nominated at 08:31, 18 June 2014 (UTC).

  • Not 5x yet. 604B -> 2608B (readable prose). Please expand further. Redtigerxyz Talk 06:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
User:The C of E, 5X. 3375 B. QPQ checked.
  • The hook is the problem. We are generalizing the belief of 5 students to that of the whole Jehovah's Witnesses, which the ref doesn't support.
  • Policy issues (considering the expansion issue):
    • Most of the text that uses [1] as a ref, is unsupported by the ref and possibly WP:OR.
    • [2] says talks about Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika, but the same is used to denote Mungu ibariki Afrika. Such WP:UNDUE sentences need to be removed.Redtigerxyz Talk 13:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, the article still has sentences which are original research and not in ref. Tagged. Redtigerxyz Talk 05:04, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
@Redtigerxyz: I've fixed them. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:21, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Still, the references do not support what they cite. Tagged. Also, a clear distinction must be made about Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika and this song. Anything said about Nkosi does not mean the same can be said about this song.Redtigerxyz Talk 07:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Where the sources say Mungu that is what I am using. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
@Redtigerxyz: I have changed and added sources as well as changed the last sentence to be more in line with the source. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:34, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
There are still instances of overstating example "Tanzania's use of "Mungu ibariki Afrika" meant that other African countries such as Zimbabwe, Ciskei and Transkei to adopt "Nkosi Sikelel' Afrika" as their national anthems". The ref just says "formerly used by Zimbabwe, Ciskei, and Transkei." Since there have been too many rounds of checks, I will like some other reviewer to look at it with a new outlook. Redtigerxyz Talk 11:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Redtigerxyz - so I fixed it. (If anyone is interested then its Mrs Dube who's article is up for DYK around here who looks like the musician who took this tune to her choir at Ohlange High School. Still that's my speculation). The point about "5 students" is only important if you have not read the article. There were 127 involved and its naive to think that their church did not support them - it was a national human rights case. I have boldly changed it to more than 120. The hook is true and sourced (ref 11) and makes sense to those who read further. The length of hook and article are OK. Victuallers (talk) 15:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
I concur on Victuallers' revision of the hook -- and on his approval of the nom. Note: Victuallers and I both made extensive revisions to the article, including a number of significant corrections to factual information. --Orlady (talk) 17:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Note to promoter – it would be preferable not to use the flag image above, since the flag of Tanzania article is still a stub and will be taken to DYK in the near future. When that occurs, the flag image should be utilized for the 5× expansion of that article, for obvious reasons of relevance. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

To Prep 4 Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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