Template:Did you know nominations/Nové Zámky 16th electoral district (Czechoslovakia)
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- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 23:30, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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Nové Zámky 16th electoral district (Czechoslovakia)
[edit]... that in the 1929 election the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia achieved its highest share of votes in the Nové Zámky electoral district (pictured)?
Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 23:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC).
- ALT1 ... that the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia recorded its highest share of votes of the 1929 election in the Nové Zámky electoral district (pictured)?
Full review needed now that hook has been set. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry Soman I think there are lots of issues with this article which means it is not suitable for DYK. Please do not be disheartened, you have done lots of research and you deserve credit for that. I will give a list of issues that need resolving on this article at the talk page.
- Reasons for DYK failure: The article does not appear to be written neutrally, dates are missing for facts and so are written as though they are current statistics. I fear there was an agenda when writing it - "The boundaries of the Nové Zámky 16th electoral district and the Kosice 20th electoral district had been drawn to maximize the number of Hungarian and German voters in these districts." - though only one source (which I cannot access) states this. I think to meet the word count for DYK, the article has irrelevant information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staceydolxx (talk • contribs) 10:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Please expand on the POV issue. The fact stated is sourced, and not particularily controversial. Gerrymandering in the First Republic is covered [1] ("fairly restricted and there was a lot of gerrymandering in the division of the territory in an effort to weaken the position of the Germans and Magyars", p. 75), [2] ("Because Czechoslovakia gerrymandered to keep minority votes out of “Slovak” areas, the “Hungarian” Nové Zamky district...), [3] (p. 29), [4] (p. 133 "Elections and the gerrymandering of electoral districts Even though the franchise was universal, direct and secret, the ... In a Slovak area in 1920, 19,753 votes were required to elect a representative, while in a Hungarian district 27,697 votes"), etc.. As per "dates are missing for facts", which facts are you referring to? Also, please sign your posts. --Soman (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Have you had a look at the talk page?
- Please expand on the POV issue. The fact stated is sourced, and not particularily controversial. Gerrymandering in the First Republic is covered [1] ("fairly restricted and there was a lot of gerrymandering in the division of the territory in an effort to weaken the position of the Germans and Magyars", p. 75), [2] ("Because Czechoslovakia gerrymandered to keep minority votes out of “Slovak” areas, the “Hungarian” Nové Zamky district...), [3] (p. 29), [4] (p. 133 "Elections and the gerrymandering of electoral districts Even though the franchise was universal, direct and secret, the ... In a Slovak area in 1920, 19,753 votes were required to elect a representative, while in a Hungarian district 27,697 votes"), etc.. As per "dates are missing for facts", which facts are you referring to? Also, please sign your posts. --Soman (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Reasons for DYK failure: The article does not appear to be written neutrally, dates are missing for facts and so are written as though they are current statistics. I fear there was an agenda when writing it - "The boundaries of the Nové Zámky 16th electoral district and the Kosice 20th electoral district had been drawn to maximize the number of Hungarian and German voters in these districts." - though only one source (which I cannot access) states this. I think to meet the word count for DYK, the article has irrelevant information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Staceydolxx (talk • contribs) 10:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding another reference for this "The boundaries of the Nové Zámky 16th electoral district and the Kosice 20th electoral district had been drawn to maximize the number of Hungarian and German voters in these districts." - However, you do not state when this was or who drew these boundaries? I disagree that this is not controversial, it is claiming that the elections were unfair.
- And again no dates about the next 2 sentences in that paragraph.
- "The Košice 20th electoral district had 57,238 inhabitants per seat." - Why is that relevant to this article? And if it is it needs dates - populations change.
- "Senate elections" - This whole section needs a date of when this happened?
- There are details for the 1920 & 1929 elections but no others? - The table is also from 1925.
- This article isn't clear if it is about the electoral district now or 90 years ago?
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@Soman: What is the status of this nomination? Almost three weeks have passed with no response to Stacey, and well over a month with no substantive edits to the article. Please respond to concerns raised. Note that beginning the article with a table is not compliant with MOS:LAYOUT. Intelligentsium 01:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- 1) The point that gerrymandering was widespread in 1st republic isn't controversial today. Czechoslovakia as a political project has ceased to exist. 2) It clearly relates to the 1921 census. 3) Date is given, 1921. 4) Senate elections were held parallel to Chamber of Deputies elections. But in Senate elections, different districts were used. The article clarifies that the 16th district formed a joint senate constituency with Kosice (the other predominately Hungarian district). 5) Yes, there were also elections in 1925 and 1935. 6) Yes, it is. It says that it "was" an electoral district in the First Czechoslovak Republic. --Soman (talk) 17:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Staceydolxx: Any additional comments? Intelligentsium 00:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- 1) The point that gerrymandering was widespread in 1st republic isn't controversial today. Czechoslovakia as a political project has ceased to exist. 2) It clearly relates to the 1921 census. 3) Date is given, 1921. 4) Senate elections were held parallel to Chamber of Deputies elections. But in Senate elections, different districts were used. The article clarifies that the 16th district formed a joint senate constituency with Kosice (the other predominately Hungarian district). 5) Yes, there were also elections in 1925 and 1935. 6) Yes, it is. It says that it "was" an electoral district in the First Czechoslovak Republic. --Soman (talk) 17:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)