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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PumpkinSky talk 00:11, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, BWV 62

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Created/expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 12:01, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

  • Cantata for Advent 1, in 2011 27 November, to appear between 26 November and 2 December, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Expansion, citations, etc. are all fine. But the hook, at 234 characters, is well over the limit of 200, and I have to admit that I'm so musically ignorant that I'm having difficulty following all of the musical terms to verify the hook. If you want to go with a shortened version of the original hook, could someone more musically knowledgeable please verify it? (Also, should the "on" in the hook actually be "based on"?)

    Alternatively, I'd like to suggest the following, which can be verified easily, and I think is "hookier":

    ALT1: ... that the instrumentation in Bach's cantata Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, BWV 62 is said to be simple because Advent is a "season of abstinence"?

    MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 06:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

  • Thank you for improving the article. Playing with your suggestion, Advent to my knowledge no longer a Fastenzeit (season of abstinence), the chorale base essential for this cantata (to distinguish from BWV 61, beginning with the same words), also slightly reluctant because here do we have oboes (which only play with the violins, but that would be tough to explain in 200 chars), in others not:
ALT2: ... that the scoring in Bach's cantata Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, BWV 62, based on Luther's chorale for Advent, is said to be simple because Advent was a "season of abstinence"?
As for length: I thought that the article title is not counted, right? Shortened alternative, to capture Bach's unusual "obsession" with the theme:
ALT3:... that in Bach's cantata Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland, BWV 62, based on Luther's chorale for Advent, the first line of its melody appears in the continuo, the oboes, the lower voices, and finally in the soprano's cantus firmus? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
As far as I know, one article title is always counted; the only time titles are not counted is for all titles after the first one in a multi-nom. It does seem logical to give some leeway for extra-long titles, but I know of no rule which spells that out. I guess it would be at the discretion of the person promoting the hook. ALT2 is 176 and ALT3 is 225. The title could be piped, but I suspect you don't want to do that.

for ALT2. As I feel that ALT3 is still too long, and I'm too tired, I haven't looked into it. If someone wants to allow the longer hook and verify it, go for it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:47, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, fine. @reviewer: don't look into the other hook, as long as there are still Romania articles for 1 Dec (hidden in the Special occasions section) unreviewed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
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