Template:Did you know nominations/Oei Hui-lan

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by valereee (talk) 13:28, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Oei Hui-lan

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Oei Hui-lan with her son

• ... that Madame Wellington Koo (pictured), the Indonesian-born onetime First Lady of pre-communist China, was featured by Vogue Magazine in its lists of best-dressed women from the 1920s until the 1940s? Source: http://www.neehao.co.uk/2016/01/madame-wellington-koo-voted-best-dressed-chinese-woman-of-1920s-by-vogue/
  • ALT1:... that Madame Wellington Koo, the Indonesian-born onetime First Lady of pre-communist China, was featured as a 'woman of style' at the Metropolitan Museum's 2015 fashion exhibition, China: Through the Looking Glass? Source: https://www.metmuseum.org/press/exhibitions/2015/china-through-the-looking-glass

Improved to Good Article status by Clara dari Semarang (talk) and Ipigott (talk). Self-nominated at 13:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC).

• Note: struck ALT1, which was 213 prose characters (including spaces). Also fixed up the original hook so the nominated article is in bold per DYK guidelines, and the "(pictured)" is included (which doesn't add to the hook's prose characters). Proposing a shorter version of ALT1:

• ALT1a: ... that Madame Wellington Koo (pictured), the Chinese-Indonesian onetime First Lady of pre-communist China, was featured as a "woman of style" in a 2015 fashion exhibition at the Metropolitan Museum of Art? —BlueMoonset (talk) 17:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

• Article is a recent GA, long enough, neutral, and well referenced. No copyvio detected. QPQ not required as it's the nominator's first DYK. There are problems with the hooks, however, as the supplied source says she was actually born in Amoy, China, not Dutch East Indies (or Indonesia, which is anachronistic). The image is PD, but does not show up well in small size. I suggest using the image in the infobox instead. -Zanhe (talk) 23:00, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

• Zanhe The quoted source, which is not an academic work, contradicts Suryadinata et al, who says that she was born in Semarang. Should I include another source?
• I'm quite happy to use the Met exhibition quotation instead if you prefer.
• How do I transfer the image to the infobox?

Clara dari Semarang (talk) 09:26, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

@Clara dari Semarang: You're right, Suryadinata 2015 says she was born in Semarang, and that's a far more reliable source than "Nee Hao". Still, I think "Indonesia" is anachronistic and should be changed to Dutch East Indies. As for the image, what I was suggesting is to use the photo currently in the infobox (File:Madame Wellington Koo (née Hui-lan Oei) with baby.jpg) for DYK, as that one shows up better in small size. -Zanhe (talk) 05:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Zanhe, it's been over a month. What is keeping this from being approved? Since the nominator is new to DYK, perhaps you could make any minor adjustments to get this moving again, such as displaying the other photo here so whoever promoted this can choose between the two photos. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:01, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I was simply waiting for the nominator to respond to my comments, but she hasn't edited for over a month. I don't mind making the changes myself, but sometimes people get very offended when I do that without getting their consent first. -Zanhe (talk) 18:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Zanhe, I've just posted to her talk page; sometimes pings don't work. If there's nothing in the next few days, I'd go ahead with whatever's needed; if she doesn't like a change, she can simply say so. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Zanhe: @BlueMoonset:, sorry for not getting back to you earlier. I've been very busy.

• I don't know how to change the image, please feel free to go ahead and do it for me.
• In light of conflicting information in the sources as to Oei's birthplace, I've decided to change 'Indonesia-born' to 'Chinese-Indonesian'. I don't think our use of the term 'Indonesia' here is anachronistic. Although not in official use in the Dutch East Indies, the term 'Indonesia' was probably first coined in 1850, and was in relatively common use in educated circles by the start of the 1900s (see Names of Indonesia). As an educated woman, Oei would have known the term. In any case, she lived for 47 years after the proclamation of Indonesian independence in 1945, and (according to Suryadinata) tried to do a number of businesses in her country of birth. Other Wikipedia articles refer to figures born before Oei, such as the Arab-Indonesian Raden Saleh and the Javanese-Indonesian Tjipto Mangoenkoesoemo as Indonesians without any controversy.

Clara dari Semarang (talk) 05:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• I'm glad you came back, Clara! I've changed the image and am satisfied with the modified hook. ALT1a is good to go. -Zanhe (talk) 05:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

• P.S. I've added Ipigott to the list of contributors as he did substantial work during the GA review. -Zanhe (talk) 05:50, 25 May 2019 (UTC)