Template:Did you know nominations/Oliver Evans

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The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 18:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Oliver Evans

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• ... that Oliver Evans (pictured) designed the first fully automated industrial process?

• ALT1:... that Oliver Evans' (pictured) automatic flour mill from the late 18th century is regarded as the first fully automated industrial process?
• Reviewed: Not a self-nomination

Improved to Good Article status by Unus Multorum (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 18:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC).

• I'm going to have to challenge a statement of "first fully [whatever]", in an area as broad as industrial processes, which is based on a source almost 60 years old. I think we need something including more recent research into the history of technology, which was a relatively new field at the time. EEng (talk) 21:35, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot about this. I have now searched for more recent sources, and came across his biography in Encyclopedia Britannica, which says, "American inventor who pioneered the high-pressure steam engine (U.S. patent, 1790) and created the first continuous production line (1784)." They use the different wording created the first continuous production line, while the proposed hooks are taken from the Wikipedia article. Any suggestions on how to proceed with this? (modify the article? different hook? withdraw nomination?) Oceanh (talk) 19:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

EEng, do you have any suggestions for Oceanh? BlueMoonset (talk) 03:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

• Full review needed, which should consider the initial concerns and response to them, and perhaps give a suggestion on how to proceed. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:59, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I would like to suggest

• ALT2 ... that other millers viewing the fully-automated flour mill designed by Oliver Evans (pictured) could not appreciate its advantages? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:03, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for providing an alternative hook, which I think catches the essence of the article. Oceanh (talk) 22:20, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

• ALT3:... that Oliver Evans's (pictured) fully automated flour mill was granted the third US patent, personally approved by Thomas Jefferson? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed; please see my previous note and the two ALT hooks proposed since. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

ALT2 is clearly supported in the cites, and I think it's just as interesting anyway. Length definitely good, I can't judge the newness so that's a bye, same on the QPQ as it's non-author nom. I find the prose a little repetitive, but that's not for DYK. Good to go! Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:47, 4 November 2014 (UTC)