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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BorgQueen (talk) 05:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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Proposed new South Shore Line station in South Bend

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Improved to Good Article status by SecretName101 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 15:26, 16 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Proposed new South Shore Line station in South Bend; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • The hook doesn't sound all that interesting to me. Perhaps you should mention how long the proposals have been going on for. The article mentions that there were plans to relocate the station since 2006, an environmental study in 2008, and a financial estimate in 2013. Perhaps:
ALT1: ... that the construction of a new station has been proposed in South Bend, Indiana for the South Shore Line since 2006? https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/local/next-stop-downtown-buttigieg-wants-south-shore-to-run-into/article_c56e5214-9907-5273-a286-7306e2b6ce0e.html
@PizzaKing13: We can do ALT2: "... that there have been many proposals for a new station at South Bend, Indiana for the South Shore Line since 2006? Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
ALT2 looks good to me. New enough GA, long enough, hook is interesting, neutral, sourced, no copyright vios. PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 20:46, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 06:02, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Quite frankly this article seems WP:TOOSOON for publication on the main page, even if it would survive AfD. Maybe we could revisit as a "new" article for DYK when the station is [closer to being] finally built? Cielquiparle (talk) 09:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree, Cielquiparle. If it's a notable topic (i.e. has an article that would, if challenged, survive AfD; and if you think that it wouldn't survive AfD, then please nominate it) and has an interesting hook (which, in my view, it has in ALT2), then there's nothing stopping this from going to the Main Page as a DYK. And under what criterion would it possibly become eligible at some point in the future, given that it won't then be new, newly expanded, or recently approved for GA? AGF tick based on the review above. Schwede66 18:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
@Schwede66: I defer to your judgment, but what I meant is that it would make a better DYK submission as a new article if/when the South Bend Station is built. IMO, the article as it stands now could be interpreted as promoting a political cause. There are a lot of public infrastructure projects that have been proposed and debated over the years; is it really the role of Wikipedia and DYK to promote the completion of one, and to cover each and every single local political debate and dispute over public transit? Cielquiparle (talk) 19:15, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
If transport planning controversies go on for long enough and become notable, and if an editor makes the effort to write a decent article about the affairs, then that's all that's needed as a prerequisite for a DYK. Schwede66 19:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
  • @Onegreatjoke: It seems the nomination is "valid", in which case the onus is on you or SecretName101 to propose a better hook, as the current hooks are not interesting to a broad audience per DYK Rule #3a: likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest. My suggestion would be to mention Pete Buttigieg – as a broader audience has heard of him as DoT secretary and former presidential candidate. Cielquiparle (talk) 20:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: Does that latter one seem good? SecretName101 (talk) 21:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@SecretName101: Too wordy for a hook so here's one shorter version:
Pinging PizzaKing13 for possible review of ALT hooks or further input. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Just a comment. ALT4a is a fine hook indeed and certainly better than ALT2. Schwede66 01:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
ALT4a looks good to me PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 03:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Restoring the tick just to save everyone some back and forth, given that PizzaKing13 has approved ALT4a. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
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