Template:Did you know nominations/Shmerke Kaczerginski
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:56, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
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Shmerke Kaczerginski[edit]
- ... that Shmerke Kaczerginski saved over 250 Jewish songs about the Holocaust from destruction?
Created by Copper Dreamer (talk). Self-nominated at 19:11, 1 April 2018 (UTC).
Good topic and article eligible, but sentence needs clarification and specification. (When? Where?) Also needs source attached to nomination.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- @PlanespotterA320: how about "during the 1940s, Shmerke Kaczerginski saved over 250 European Jewish songs about the Holocaust from destruction?" Source is Duhl, Lisa (1999). Rocking an empty cradle: A psychological study of Yiddish Holocaust lullabies. California School of Professional Psychology. OCLC 926122847. . Copper Dreamer (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Copper Dreamer: Still needs to be a bit more specific. What country or countries of Europe? What format were the songs (sheet music? rare book collections? audio format? were they the only copies? Was this a one-time thing or did he save different songs many times? Did he just memorize them?) Also may want to describe who Shmerke Kaczerginski is. (perhaps start off with ...Shmerke Kaczerginski, a musician... or something like that.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- A mix of sheet music and having people sing to him, all over Europe. It's hard to both have a hyper-specific and descriptive sentence that simultaneously only uses one source; are composites from multiple sources acceptable? Copper Dreamer (talk) 18:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Of course! Both of the nominations I've written have two sources. Use the ALT2 template for the new re-write.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 19:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Use the what? Copper Dreamer (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
- The template to indicate the nomination is reworded and re-written.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
It's been about eight weeks. Can we please get a new reviewer to see where we are, and what needs still to be done? (Copper Dreamer does not seem to have made any edits to the article in response to the review.) I'm not entirely sure that the requests for detail in the review are necessary for a DYK; the important thing for this nomination seems to me to be that there were indeed 250 songs about the Holocaust that were saved by Kaczerginski; as the Duhl source is not online, we would have to AGF on the sourcing. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:35, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: I do agree that the details of the songs are irrelevant for our purposes here. If an offline source says he saved 250 songs, that's enough for us. The article was newly created before the nomination and is more than large enough. Inline citations are in every paragraph. Some wording could use some changes (like the lead sentence says he's Yiddish, but Yiddish is a language, not a nationality, so I will change that to Russian, and the sentence in the body with the "250 song" claim includes "he is considered to have been tremendously influential", which is POV). This is the editor's first DYK, so QPQ is not required. This seems fine to me. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
