Template:Did you know nominations/Smin Ye-Thin-Yan

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 21:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Smin Ye-Thin-Yan

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• ... that King Razadarit of Hanthawaddy called Gen. Smin Ye-Thin-Yan the best defensive commander ever in his service? Source: Chronicle sources: (Yazawin Thit Vol. 1 2012: 248), (Hmannan Vol. 1 2003: 23)
  Academic source: (Fernquest 2006: 9) https://web.archive.org/web/20090219063323/http://web.soas.ac.uk/burma/4.1files/4.1fernquest.pdf
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Buck Wilkin
  • Comment: In his 2006 article, the author Jon Ferquest citing (San Lwin 129) writes "Re Thinran an expert in defensive strategy." In the (cited) royal chronicles, the king called Ye-Thin-Yan (Re Thinran) his best defensive commander ever.

Created by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 03:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Smin Ye-Thin-Yan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - the "handing out awards, and making" is throwing a flag

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
• Interesting: - I could approve, but I think the trickery of his childhood friend is much more interesting?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice work, Hybernator! Almost there :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:48, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

• Hi theleekycauldron, thanks for the review. I've fixed the quote that was throwing the copyright flag. FWIW, I find the current hook quite interesting; I myself didn't know that before I researched for the article. That said, how about:

  ALT1: ... that Hanthawaddy commander Smin Ye-Thin-Yan deceived his blood brother Sam Lek of Donwun by pretending to have defected to his friend's side?

  Sources: (Pan Hla 2005: 172–173) details Ye-Thin-Yan's deception and betrayal that led to the death of his thwethauk (blood brother). (Fernquest 2006: 7) covers the battle of Wun [Donwun], and Sam Lek's death-- only from a high level, without including any details like how the town's defenses were breached, who led the breach, etc.

  If you have more riveting hooks, feel free to suggest. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

  • That works for me, thanks! I'd suggest something more like:
    • ALT1a: ... that Hanthawaddy commander Smin Ye-Thin-Yan captured Donwun by deceiving his blood brother?
  • Thanks for fixing the quote, should be good to go with ALT1a/ALT1. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:38, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

    • ALTa works. More succinct/punchy. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 00:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)