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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by BlueMoonset talk 17:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
The tag on the article about advertising has not been addressed in over a month; closing as unsuccessful per review

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Created by InvadingInvader (talk). Self-nominated at 15:25, 2 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sommer Ray; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

InvadingInvader, I've been wanting to promote this one, but I'm not sure if it's quite right. The hook is phrased in a way that implies it's much more certain she'd make that much than the article/source supports. Something like "refused to join OnlyFans despite estimates she'd make x money" seems less likely to cause an ERRORS argument? Vaticidalprophet 10:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I'd be willing to accept an alternative hook with that pattern. Feel free to propose one! InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 16:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
So, in the abstract, this could be restructured as...
ALT0a: ... that Sommer Ray refused to join OnlyFans despite estimates she could make as much as $40 million?
Having said that -- looking at the source, I don't think it's good enough for the statement (In that time, with COVID — someone was saying I could have made $40 million or something like that). It might be good for this to workshop a new hook at DYKN. Paging Theleekycauldron for doing the annoying retransclusion bit potential new hooks? Vaticidalprophet 18:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
I personally think it could work. If you really want another hook, here's a similar potential version:
Alt 0b' – DYK that influencer Sommer Ray has not joined OnlyFans despite estimates that she could have made $40 million USD from the platform?
InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 01:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
The trouble is with the statement itself. I've retranscluded this at DYK, because it needs rehooking from a different part of the article. This was the source used for the statement:

During an April 13 podcast with YouTuber George Janko, Ray revealed that she’d actually been advised to make an OnlyFans account to jump on the gravy train… but she ended up turning it down. "At that time it was like, every single person in my life was coming to me and telling me, "If you don’t start an OnlyFans, you’re stupid,'" she explained. "The money I could make would be insane. In that time, with COVID — someone was saying I could have made $40 million or something like that."

This isn't good enough to support a hook stating it uncritically. It's not a serious "estimate" -- it's a grapevine retelling of "someone" in a Youtube video, repeated in a questionable source.
Even more problematic now is that the article has been cut in half between the reviewed revision and the present one, and amongst other things 1. no longer includes that source and 2. has a cleanup tag. This needs looking at again. Vaticidalprophet 07:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

From the article, not having vetted the claims:

  • ALT1: ... that Instagram influencer Sommer Ray has turned down multiple offers of free plastic surgery?

Also, as I expressed at Template:Did you know nominations/Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele), I feel that this nomination has not received full review and requires a new one. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:36, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

As far as ALT1 goes, I'm not entirely comfortable talking about medical procedures in a WP:BLP with no better source than Cosmo, even though WP:RSN isn't as down on Cosmo as I am. But the real problem is that the article is tagged for {{Advert}} and {{BLP sources}} and the version history shows a fair bit of edit warring, so I'm going to fail this on WP:DYKCOMPLETE and WP:DYKTAG. RoySmith (talk) 02:12, 20 October 2023 (UTC)


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