Template:Did you know nominations/Steve Gallardo
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The result was: rejected by PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:31, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
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Steve Gallardo[edit]
- ... that following the passage of Arizona Senate Bill 1062, Arizona State Senator Steve Gallardo publicly came out as gay?
- Reviewed: IOU
- Comment: Preexpansion - [1]. Note that external links do not count as references.
2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Muboshgu (talk), Bmclaughlin9 (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 16:24, 6 March 2014 (UTC).
- I would consider rewording a bit, I think he cited the bill/the controversy as inspiring him to come out. Sportfan5000 (talk) 01:50, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but the external links absolutely do count as sources. This is not eligible for the 2x unsourced BLP exception. It was 1770 prose characters before expansion, and it's now 3875, meaning another 4975 characters are needed for the required 5x expansion. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 05:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, didn't see this until now. Past articles with external links and no references have counted as unsourced BLPs in the past, as in here. Granted, there have been other discussions where there has been some disagreement on this. I believe this is the most recent discussion on it, one in which you participated. It is clear to me that this isn't settled one way or the other; the last comment in that last discussion was a disagreement. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
- The example you provided (your "here" link) is not an example at all. One person gave an opinion unsupported by the rules or precedents, and the article in question never appeared on DYK, and was never even nominated. It's clear to me that the issue has been settled – every actual discussion about this has ended in a consensus that external links do count as sources. Note that it doesn't have to be unanimous for there to be consensus.
Look at one of the external links on your pre-expansion article. Are you seriously suggesting that that is not a "source"? Would it have somehow magically become a source if someone had added an inline ref to it? It is very obviously a good source of information about the person whether it's as an external link or an inline ref.
The very generous 2x exception is for completely unsourced BLPs, not ones that simply don't have an inline reference. The exception was created to encourage sourcing of BLPs which had absolutely no sources in any form; it was not meant to be used as a loophole providing an extremely easy way to get BLPs on the Main Page because of a simple technicality over how the source was presented.
I would encourage you to make this a Good Article and renominate it at that time. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
- The example you provided (your "here" link) is not an example at all. One person gave an opinion unsupported by the rules or precedents, and the article in question never appeared on DYK, and was never even nominated. It's clear to me that the issue has been settled – every actual discussion about this has ended in a consensus that external links do count as sources. Note that it doesn't have to be unanimous for there to be consensus.
Closing per nominator, since won't be expanded 5x. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
