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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

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Sutton Hoo Helmet (sculpture)[edit]

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The Sutton Hoo helmet
The Sutton Hoo helmet
  • ... that the Sutton Hoo helmet (pictured) weighs 2.5 kg (5.5 lb), but the Sutton Hoo Helmet weighs 900 kg (2,000 lb)? Source: Ipswich Star, 2002: "The three dimensional helmet, weighing 900kg, is a representation of the famous Anglo-Saxon warrior helmet..."
    • ALT1:... that Sutton Hoo Helmet (pictured) was designed to have a "fierce presence"? Source: Ipswich Star, 2002: "Mr Kirby said he had been asked to make a helmet with a 'fierce presence'."

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:04, 8 February 2018 (UTC).

  • The article has a big "notability" tag at the top; this might need a customary AfD before this may proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:59, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Narutolovehinata5. There's a discussion on the talk page, although Editør—who is the only one who has raised notability concerns—has not yet responded to my latest expansion of the article in an attempt to alleviate those concerns. There's also a bit of discussion here, where Yoninah weighed in in favor of the article. All told, it's a big (and cool!) sculpture, by a notable artist, that received press coverage both when unveiled and subsequently, and that 100,000 people walk under every year. We could propose deletion if Editør's concerns truly haven't been met, but I (would like to) think that the outcome would be a foregone conclusion. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm thinking of nominating the article for deletion, but merely in a procedural manner: I don't have any position on whether or not the subject itself. But in any case, at the very least this might need to be put on hold until Editor responds. You could leave them a talkpage message if you wish. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • We should be good to go on the subject of the maintenance tag, but I can't be sure some other tags won't suddenly appear since Editør is still convinced that the subject is not notable. Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:53, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Also be advised that picture above is of the real helmet and not the sculpture. Which would need replacing with a picture of the sculpture if ALT 1 was used. Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:55, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Although the AFD was closed as keep, the closing statement stated that it's recommended that a merge discussion take place at the talk page. Since it would probably not look good if an article that just went up on DYK ends up being merged/redirected, this DYK should probably be put on hold pending the outcome of a merge discussion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:29, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Then what was the point in going through the proposed deletion, if not to resolve this issue? It is frustrating to have to spend weeks defending the worthiness of an article, especially when much of the pushback is coming from only one person. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
  • To be fair I don't see anyone except Editør wanting to open a RM, although it was a popular alternative to deletion, it's not being deleted so a merge is not really needed. Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:26, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

In any case, the AfD was closed as keep, so for now at least I guess the notability issue has been resolved (there was some support for a merge, but that could continue on the talk page, and in any case that's outside the scope of this discussion). As for the article itself, it was nominated seven days after creation so that's okay. Earwigs detects no copyright issues. Article is adequately supported by reliable sources; although some are offline or are behind a paywall, the hooks' sources are available and do verify the information. QPQ has been provided. Both hooks are okay, but my preference is ALT1. In any case, it may have been a long time coming, but this is now approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:00, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Note: as the image provided with this nomination is not used in the article, it is not eligible for use with this DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Either works for me. ALT0 would probably actually be better without an image, as the photograph gives away the hook, but the photograph of the sculpture that Prince of Thieves posted would be good for ALT1, which is Narutolovehinata5's preferred hook. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:32, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
It could be possible to write the image of the actual helmet into the article if absolutely needed, but I feel the photo of the sculpture is probably better either way. Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:34, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
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