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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan[edit]

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  • ... that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan was the only Christian denomination to have its own pavilion at the 1970 World Fair in Osaka? Source:[1]
    • ALT1:... that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan re-translated the Japanese Book of Mormon from a colloquial into a more literary style? Source: Neilson, Reid L.; Gessel, Van C., eds. (2006), Taking the Gospel to the Japanese 1901 to 2001, Provo, UT: Brigham Young University, ISBN 0-8425-2595-5
    • ALT2:... that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan localized an LDS film to be shown at the 1970 World Fair in Osaka? Source:Neilson, Reid L.; Gessel, Van C., eds. (2006), Taking the Gospel to the Japanese 1901 to 2001, Provo, UT: Brigham Young University, ISBN 0-8425-2595-5
    • ALT3:... that over six million people were introduced to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan at the 1970 World Fair in Osaka? Source:Neilson, Reid L.; Gessel, Van C., eds. (2006), Taking the Gospel to the Japanese 1901 to 2001, Provo, UT: Brigham Young University, ISBN 0-8425-2595-5
    • ALT4:... that Japanese Latter-day Saints lost contact with church authorities ofThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan for over twenty years when the mission closed in 1924? Source:[2]

Improved to Good Article status by Skyes(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 18:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Amazing, how did you find that archived article...

  • Article was linked before in a Current Events portal page. Not sure if this invalidates a DYK nom. Have to check this.
  • ALT1-3's sources are offline, assuming good faith here
  • I couldn't find ALT3 in the Wiki article. Is it in there? It should be. Please add it if it isn't yet.
  • I found the main hook and ALT3 interesting; the other hooks I did not find interesting enough for a DYK nom, and I have crossed them off for now. Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
    @Farang Rak Tham: "Ten percent (6,658,532) of the guests who attended the Expo visited the Mormon Pavilion, which was a temporary display that introduced the people of Japan to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." -for ALT3 Skyes(BYU) (talk) 15:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Farang Rak Tham asked about the Current events listing on my talk page. Being listed in Current events doesn't affect DYK eligibility; only the WP:In the News and WP:On This Day sections on the Main Page. This article doesn't appear to have been featured in either. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Paul! You've saved me out many times.
  • With regard to the main hook and ALT3, I am passing both, but with a note saying that I think it would be much more interesting to feature a hook about the difficulties that the first generation of Mormons in Japan had to cope with, and you should consider adding it.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:03, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I added another hook. I hope that it is closer for what is being asked for. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 19:26, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I am moving this back here, which was initially posted on the talk page:

Narutolovehinata5, thanks for promoting the nomination, but I hadn't approved hook ALT4 yet. Skyes, the main subject of the hook should always be bold. I think ALT4 is quite interesting, but it is a bit confusing. It isn't quite clear who you refer to when you write Japanese Latter-day Saints on the one hand, and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Japan on the other hand. You should specify this. Narutolovehinata5, ALT4 is not approved yet, let's wait for Skyes' corrections.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:37, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

  • @Farang Rak Tham:, I don't know if that helps clarify things by specifying that they lost contact with church authorities. I'm kind of running out of character space in the hook at this point. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 17:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
May I suggest a modification: ALT5:... that the first generation of Japanese Mormons lost contact with their church for over 20 years after the first mission closed?
It is still lengthy, but that is because of the name of the article, not the hook.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 18:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Note: this needs independent approval now that Farang Rak Tham has proposed a modified hook in ALT5 (I've replaced the hyphen in it with a space). BlueMoonset (talk) 07:27, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. Can anyone second?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 11:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
@Skyes(BYU) and Farang Rak Tham: ALT5 seems okay, but it doesn't seem to be that clear in the article text where it is specified that the Japanese Mormons lost contact with the mother church for more than 20 years; the article mainly discusses that the mission had closed down but the Mormon community remained. Thus, either the hook has to be rephrased, or the article text needs to be reworded to make the hook fact more clear. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:01, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Honestly, ALT 5 is pretty much accurate. The Latter-day Saints in Japan were basically left to fend for themselves after the mission closed down, and they had no contact with Church authorities or the "mother-church" in Salt Lake City until Edward L. Clissold contacted them years later. I'll see what I can do about the article. Maybe there is something I could do to clarify that better. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 17:55, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
  • I added a clarification in the article after taking another look at my source. Is there an editor available to take a look and approve? Skyes(BYU) (talk) 16:36, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
@Skyes(BYU) and Farang Rak Tham: Right now the article says that the LDS church in Japan was "left on their own", not that they lost contact with the mother church. I think a sentence about them not being in contact with the mother church needs to be added somewhere for clarity; once it's done this will be good to go. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:37, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Done. Give it a look. Hopefully this solves the problem. Skyes(BYU) (talk) 16:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
As the issue has now been resolved, I am approving ALT5. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
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