Template:Did you know nominations/Tora Harris
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The result was: promoted by Orlady (talk) 03:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Tora Harris[edit]
... that Olympic high jumper Tora Harris, who became a six-time United States national champion, studied mechanical and aerospace engineering at Princeton University and is fluent in Chinese?
Created/expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
New enough and long enough at time of nomination. Article is neutral enough. Article is fully supported by inline citations. No plagiarism concerns. Hook is properly formatted and interesting enough.
QPQ? I see hook in lead but not in article regarding six time. Can the count be pointed out to me explicitly? Then I can check sources for that. All other parts of hook check out. --LauraHale (talk) 02:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- The article enumerates the six times I think.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:54, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Counting is awful. a two-time United States National indoor champion (2005 and 2007). TWO. a two-time United States National indoor champion (2005 and 2007). FOUR. Where are the two that I am missing? --LauraHale (talk) 03:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- NCAA champions are considered national champions, albeit national collegiate champions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- That's kind of an apples and oranges math. : / I think the article supports four. None of the sources appear to really support that sort of number. Can we remove the number from the hook or change it to four? --LauraHale (talk) 04:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- How could it be that the champion of the National Collegiate Athletic Association is not a national athletic champion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Because a university sport competition is not the same as a national sport competition? You can be a NCAA champion with out being a USA champion because you might be from Australia and competing in the NCAA but cannot be a USA national champion because you're not eligible? You can win the Worlds... by winning the Baseball World Series and the Baseball World Cup. Article supports FOUR national championships. --LauraHale (talk) 10:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Laura, NCAA champions are commonly referred to as national championships. WP infoboxes even point this out. See 11-time national champions Michigan Wolverines football, 8-time national champions Iowa State Cyclones wrestling, 5-time national champions Arizona State Sun Devils baseball.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Tony, I don't think you can safely assume a national audience would agree that NCAA championship is the same as a national championship. The NCAA is a completely SEPARATE competition from the USA national championships and I do not think you can add a USA championship and a college championship and get a national championship total of two. As we're not going to agree on this, I'll second opinion it. --LauraHale (talk) 11:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- IMO, these are as much national championships as age-delimited World Championships, such as FIBA Under-17 World Championship, are considered World Championships. Also, we consider the World Series champions to be World champions even though they never compete against teams from leagues in other countries.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 12:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Tony, I don't think you can safely assume a national audience would agree that NCAA championship is the same as a national championship. The NCAA is a completely SEPARATE competition from the USA national championships and I do not think you can add a USA championship and a college championship and get a national championship total of two. As we're not going to agree on this, I'll second opinion it. --LauraHale (talk) 11:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Laura, NCAA champions are commonly referred to as national championships. WP infoboxes even point this out. See 11-time national champions Michigan Wolverines football, 8-time national champions Iowa State Cyclones wrestling, 5-time national champions Arizona State Sun Devils baseball.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 11:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Because a university sport competition is not the same as a national sport competition? You can be a NCAA champion with out being a USA champion because you might be from Australia and competing in the NCAA but cannot be a USA national champion because you're not eligible? You can win the Worlds... by winning the Baseball World Series and the Baseball World Cup. Article supports FOUR national championships. --LauraHale (talk) 10:09, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- How could it be that the champion of the National Collegiate Athletic Association is not a national athletic champion.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- That's kind of an apples and oranges math. : / I think the article supports four. None of the sources appear to really support that sort of number. Can we remove the number from the hook or change it to four? --LauraHale (talk) 04:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- NCAA champions are considered national champions, albeit national collegiate champions.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Counting is awful. a two-time United States National indoor champion (2005 and 2007). TWO. a two-time United States National indoor champion (2005 and 2007). FOUR. Where are the two that I am missing? --LauraHale (talk) 03:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- The article enumerates the six times I think.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:54, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- I'll get to a QPQ.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:54, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Reviewed: 1st of 2 QPQs against Template:Did you know nominations/Collecchio, Battle of Collecchio--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- This is an Olympic hook. It could appear on whatever day or days the high jump is contested.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- The Athletics at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's high jump occurs on August 5 and August 7.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Note that this is a former Olympian. Not sure how much date priority there is for including this.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:41, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- The Athletics at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's high jump occurs on August 5 and August 7.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Second opinion needed on math in article that gets to six: Do USA championships and NCAA champions equal the same as a national championship? --LauraHale (talk) 11:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- My opinion: no. National championships of the entire country are not the same as national championships of people in college; the latter is a lesser thing. Four apples and two oranges, not six apples. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- ALT1... that Olympic high jumper Tora Harris, who became a four-time United States national champion, studied mechanical and aerospace engineering at Princeton University and is fluent in Chinese?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Good to go with Alt1. --LauraHale (talk) 07:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)