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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 02:55, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
No response from nominator despite multiple pings.

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Transgender genocide

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  • ... that Adam Jones has described violence against transgender people in Brazil as "unquestionably gendercidal"? Source: Jones, Adam (2016). Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction (3rd ed.). London: Routledge. pp. 745–746. ISBN 9781138823846.

Created by ProfGray (talk) and ThadeusOfNazereth (talk). Nominated by ThadeusOfNazereth (talk) at 10:58, 6 July 2022 (UTC).

  • @ProfGray and ThadeusOfNazereth: Welcome to DYK! (I've reviewed 500+ articles at DYK, but this one is like a gut punch to review.) The article is new enough, long enough, sufficiently cited, has no copyvio concerns and no formatting issues. ALT0 would be AGF. ALT1 seems fine. However, I note that the merge discussion (which seems like it's being opposed) and orange dispute tags must be resolved before this nomination progresses. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Understood, thanks Sammi Brie. For some reason I thought I had already put the nomination on hold when that happened. Hopefully we'll be able to reopen soon. Can you clarify one thing? When you say "ALT0 would be AGF", are you saying you're assuming good faith that it's an accurate representation since you can't access, or is that a different abbreviation unique to DYK? ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 19:34, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
  • The nomination remains active, and we can reevaluate in a week or two depending on the progress of talk page discussions. Yes, ThadeusOfNazereth, that is the correct meaning of AGF here. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
  • I have accessed a pdf version of the book, and I can confirm that this is what Adam Jones wrote. The relevant quote is this: In recent years, as gay rights have become gradually more accepted and respected, the burden of atrocity has increasingly targeted transgender women and male transvestites. The country with by far the highest—unquestionably gendercidal—levels of such violence is Brazil, where “an estimated 326 trans people were reported killed” in 2014, or “one person every 27 hours.”, cited to this source, which itself relies on a report in Prensa Latina, a Cuban state newswire agency, and Prensa Latina cites official Brazil govt statistics. IMHO that isn't exactly showing best citation practices, but the hook is indeed verified and the author is a subject-matter expert, so yeah, that's fine. That said, I don't feel like reviewing topics I have little idea about. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Also, ALT1 might not be very interesting because, even though Fritz Kitzing seems to be often used as a case to show that the Nazis were oppressive towards transgender people, he is not otherwise known for anything else. I'd prefer either a quantifier (e.g. 90% of trans people who went to Dr. Hirschfeld's consultancy in Berlin went to concentration camps) or showing a better known transgender person, if there is any. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Marking for closure as no comment was elicited from any other commenters or the nominators. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:15, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
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