Template:Did you know nominations/Troy (opera), Bujor Hoinic

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Troy (opera), Bujor Hoinic[edit]

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... that Troy is the first Turkish opera composed by a foreigner, the Romanian conductor Bujor Hoinic? Source: "The first Turkish opera written by foreign composer.", "... the creator of Troy, the orchestra conductor Bujor Hoinic ..." [1], "Bujor Hoinic was born in Timisoara, Romania ..." [2]
- ALT1:... that the 2018-premiered Turkish opera Troy by Bujor Hoinic was staged in Moscow, Russia at the Bolshoi Theatre in 2019? Source: "... premiere of the work would be held at the ATO Congresium on Nov. 9 in Ankara.", [3] on November 06 2018 14:59:43, "It took three-and-a-half months for conductor and composer Bujor Hoinic to start the production of the opera “Troy” from scratch and complete it." [4], " the ‘Troy’ opera was staged at Moscow’s Bolshoi Theater on April 8" [5] published on April 09 2019 15:40:38

Reviewed: Lazarevskoe Cemetery (Saint Petersburg) (2 credits)

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 06:03, 24 April 2019 (UTC).

Interesting topic! I looked at the opera first, but will get to the composer eventually. At present, I'd be uneasy to pass the opera, because its bulk is the plot. With such important performances, however, I'm sure that there are reviews, no? I actually don't believe that we need so much plot ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I looked at the synopsis a little closer. Please trim, considerably. "The opera ends in an epic atmosphere." A line like that is not part of the plot, but could go to some missing section about its music. You won't say a stage ends, but a scene ends, and even that you don't have to say when it's the last sentence of a certain scene. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I began looking at the conductor. "He started his professional carrer right after his graduation in 1973." No need to say that, most people do. It's needed, however, to make the character count, and again, I'd be uneasy. Can you write just a bit more of relevance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for your reviewing. I am glad that a highly experienced one as you is in charge. I made some copyediting regarding your complaints. About the length of the synopsis, I am a little bit afraid to shorten it in a correct way. I had taken it word by word from the source. About the music, I checked the article Aida and see nothing about the music. The synopsis is there also not very short. Please let me know again what to do. I removed the phrase "... right after his graduation ..." as well in the article Bujor Hoinic. I made also some expansion there. Please recheck. CeeGee 16:09, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Did you know that you shouldn't take anything word by word, or might get into copyright trouble? Please just change it to encyclopedic tone, minimum, - a phrase such as "Priam sees the love in Paris' eyes and respects this love." is not factual, "The horse structure is taken in with enthusiasm as a sign of victory." is repetitious to the sentence before. Also please check for missing spaces, and drop all occurences of "The scene ends", - well, if it's the last sentence, that's how a scene ends. Is "Troy's legacy is spread all over the world." really part of the action? (Then how? How do you see that on stage?) - Helen deserves a link, I guess. - Will look again but have a project of my own. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for copy-editing, - will you also shorten scenes 7 and 8? Anything about the music? Composer looks much improved, but is there a ref in English which is not his management's site? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Done CeeGee 10:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for trimming the plot. Is there an independent source for the composer in English? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Ref #1 is in English, and ref #2 in Romanian, which can be easily translated into English by Google transtaltor if you wish. CeeGee 16:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

What you call ref #1 is not a ref, but what his management writes, that's not an independent source. It could go to external links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

No, it is definitely not a management of him. It is a website about opera managers. I don't know how you come to this conclusion. CeeGee 15:53, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Understand, not management, but - if I read the Italian right - a free site offering info, like Wikipedia, - still not the most reliable source. I found something more serious-looking here, much less flowery language. another about Turandot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

If you mean the ref #2: The source is in Romanian, and not in Italian. Romanian sounds like Italian. The publisher is the "Ministry of Romanians Abroad" of Romania. It cannot be compared with Wikipedia, which is a wiki. That source is an interview and issued by the Romanian government. On the other hand, I have real trouble to read the references you mention. CeeGee 13:20, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I talk about http://operalirica.com/cgi-bin/process.cgi?azione=vedi_curriculum&id=21403, an Italian site with English translation. Who runs that? I have the impression you can sign on and contribute, no? How is that reliable? Any publisher? Reviews? Some of the many orchetras having the collaboration on THEIR sites? - The book source at least has some other compositions, and awards. "trouble to read", do you mean out of focuse, or words? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I see that you are no more interested in a progress of your review. You replied to a question of mine at my talk page, and I followed your recommendation adding the citation to the article "Bujor Hoinic" almost one week ago. On the other hand, you make recommendations for book sources or direct me to the "WP Music group", maybe you don't feel yourself compotent in that case. I don't find all these necessary. It seems that at the end, a deadlock is reached. Therefore, I kindly ask you to let another reviewer continue with this DYK-nom. CeeGee 06:13, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

No, I am interested. I had "not here today" on my talk for 2 days, and am in the process of catching up. I hope to get to the review later today. - I have a nom from February, DYK? And several GA nominations months old ... - patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

I looked now. The Romanian source does look better. I am still uneasy about a sentence such as "made a number of CDs" without a trace of what these may be, and suggest you find some, or drop that line. I pointed at sources because I should not do too much about the articles, or can't approve. Thank you for patience.

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 7 May 2019 (UTC)