Template:Did you know nominations/Up in the Air (song)

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Up in the Air (song)[edit]

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~~... that the song "Up in the Air" by Thirty Seconds to Mars premiered from the International Space Station in March 2013, becoming the first commercial copy of music to be sent into space?~~

Reviewed: Terry Conroy

Improved to Good Article status by Earthh (talk). Self-nominated at 22:04, 14 June 2016 (UTC).

Article was promoted to Good Article of June 16. Long enough at over 16,000 characters. Within policy; article has inline citations and is properly sourced. Hook checks out ok; cited in article and under 200 characters. QPQ done. Diva Knockouts 22:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Per one of the sources:
"Up in the Air" isn't the first piece of music to make its way beyond Earth's atmosphere. NASA launched the Voyager Golden Record in 1977 aboard both Voyager spacecrafts, which have since exited the solar system. They continue to venture into space and contain a number of international, mostly classical music selections. The time-capsules of sorts also include playback instructions for any extraterrestrials who may happen upon them.

In 2008, NASA beamed the Beatles' "Across the Universe" directly into deep space. Yoko Ono responded with delight at the time, saying the development marked "the beginning of the new age in which we will communicate with billions of planets across the universe."

Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:14, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: I think the Up in the Air record refers to the format of the copy, which in this case was a compact disc. "It was the first commercial copy of music sent to space", that's what multiple sources say.--Earthh (talk) 11:03, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Okay. All good then. Hawkeye7 (talk) 14:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Hawkeye7, if you believe this is ready to be promoted, please add a tick below. At the moment, your "?" icon is the latest one. If there are other issues, please let us know what they are. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:44, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Reopened, pulled from prep, discussed at Wt:DYK. So no astronaut ever took a commercial CD with him to the ISS? the source seems a bit lightweight for such a claim (heavy on pop! hype!, not so much on factual accuracy). The Huffington Post article doesn't make this claim (so no multiple sources for this either, at least not in the article). Fram (talk) 09:09, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Adding icon to prevent this from showing up as approved, since it has been pulled from prep. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:02, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the long delay, I've been really busy with my exams. Noisecreep, PopCrush, iHeart, and Ultimate Guitar all states that it was the first commercial copy of music sent to space. However, if there isn't any verifiable and objective evidence about this record, I would omit it from both the hook and article. Earthh (talk) 16:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Fram, your thoughts on these sources? If you feel they are all inadequate (you've already noted you believed Popcrush was too lightweight), please say so here; in that case, Earthh will have need to adjust the article and supply a new hook. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:31, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

These are obviously not sources competent to makes such a claim. E Eng 21:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Earthh, please omit it from both the hook and the article; we'll need a new hook here for the nomination to continue. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:48, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the song "Up in the Air" by Thirty Seconds to Mars premiered from the International Space Station in March 2013?
I've removed that claim from both the hook and the article. I hope everything is okay now. Thanks, Earthh (talk) 10:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Fram, EEng, are you satisfied that the removal from the article and the new hook deal with the issues raised? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:14, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Fine with me, but just to be clear, I'm not taking on the reviewing role. E Eng 20:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

On it. — LlywelynII 13:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Timely; obviously long enough and within general policy; earwig finds no credible copyvio; QPQ done; no pic; hook is interesting enough; ... and somehow you picked a hook that isn't verified by an article with 102 sources. Right now, the fact in the hook appears twice: the first time uncited in the lead and the second time cited in the body (as it should be). Problem is (a) the "cite" for the fact is prospective—it doesn't say the song actually was played; it only says that's the plan—and (b) the lead of the article—stating that the song was released on the 18th—contracts both the cited plan (making its follow-through still more unreliable) and the idea of a premier. If the song appeared on itunes before it played from the ISS, it premiered on itunes regardless of what the ISS does later.

Now, that said, the hook probably did happen and isn't bad. You just need to add or move around some citations to take care of that. — LlywelynII 14:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually FN11, FN12, FN15, FN19 (among others) all say the song was played; I've added a citation for that sentence in the release section. The song was released on March 18 after premiering from the ISS. Thanks for your review. Earthh (talk) 11:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, if you do have cites that say the song was played, that's great and you just need to copy them over. Both of the current citations talk about the plan to play the recording; the new one even uses the past tense in its lede, but proactively: the body (and dateline) of the article makes it clear that it was published before the event: "A conversation between astronaut Tom Marshburn from the International Space Station and Leto will be available on both the band's and NASA's websites" vs. "On March 18, 2013, the single premiered from the International Space Station, after a Q&A session with the band and astronaut Thomas Marshburn that was broadcast worldwide on NASA TV and VyRT" in the article.

If you don't have any citations from after the event, just say that and we can defer to the promoting admin whether we can take this one on good faith, given (a) this fact is certainly the most interesting thing about the article, (b) there are numerous sources for the event being upcoming (which is when it would have been most useful to hear about it), and (c) no one mentions it didn't happen. — LlywelynII 03:50, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

LlywelynII, I've added two citations (one of them was already in the article) from after the event. Let me know if you have any further concerns. Thanks, Earthh (talk) 14:43, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Yay, new one is from after the event, describing it in the past tense. G2G. Thank you again for your work on the article and sorry for the DYK hassle regarding moving the citations around. — LlywelynII 12:19, 14 August 2016 (UTC)