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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BlueMoonset (talk) 04:25, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Issues remain, nominator has retired, and editor who had been looking after nomination is no longer doing so; closing per latest review

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The Great Seljuks: Guardians of Justice

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Improved to Good Article status by Limorina (talk). Self-nominated at 08:25, 27 March 2021 (UTC). Review comments to Chidgk1 please as Limorina has now retired from Wikipedia according to their user page

  • No, you have to link and bold the article in each hook. Also, neither of these hooks are particularly interesting or unusual. It isn't strange for a government official to visit a major production and actors probably celebrate birthdays on set all the time. (t · c) buidhe 14:26, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  • I think there's some potential in ALT3 but right now it needs to have some grammatical fixes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:34, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
  • The Turkish word "plato" does mean "plateau" in geography but here it means "set". I submit the following - but fear it will be assassinated due to exclamation marks! Chidgk1 (talk) 18:03, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Perhaps "plato" could be translated as backlot? Chidgk1 11:23, May 12, 2021
  • @Limorina: and/or @Buidhe: - hope you are well - let me know if you would like me to continue with this Chidgk1 (talk) 18:34, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
  • I think that ALT4 is an in-universe hook, which is not allowed by our rules. (t · c) buidhe 18:40, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. I agree that the hooks are not very interesting. Might I suggest that the name of the film be given in English, and I suggest a plot based hook. How about;
Alt 5 ... that the 2020 Turkish historical drama The Great Seljuks: Guardians of Justice tells the story of Malik-Shah I's struggle against Hassan-i Sabbah, leader of the Order of Assassins?4meter4 (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
@Limorina: and/or @Buidhe: - hope you are well - Alt 5 looks good to me - can we go with that? Chidgk1 (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
  • I like Alt 5. Just saying. --evrik (talk) 22:27, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
  • As it seems the issues with the nomination have been resolved. I am relisting this for review. --evrik (talk) 22:35, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
  • If this is being DYK nominated on the basis of passing GA, I would like to see a GAR before it goes anywhere (first order: move to official English title). If it was also 5x expanded within timeframe, switch the nom to that and we can proceed. Alt 5 is PLOT, more hook suggestions needed, though fixing the English of some of the original hook proposals could work. Kingsif (talk) 23:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps a reworded version of ALT3? ALT3a ... that the production of the film Uyanış: Büyük Selçuklu employed 350 décor employees, 100 carpenters and a team of 60 people? It's not a great hook but it seems to be the best option among the ones proposed so far, unless someone could think up of a better hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
We'd have to find out what a "décor employee" is, and what that extra 60 person "team" is doing, before approving that. I was thinking of the birthday one - assuming this is recent, why would a whole family be invited to a COVID set for a birthday? Kingsif (talk) 05:26, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

OK guys as @Limorina:'s user page says they have retired (feel free to take it back if you wish Limorina - otherwise I hope you enjoy your retirement) as discussed on my talk page I hereby take over the role of editor responding to reviewers comments. I will respond to the above - hopefully soon - and is anyone willing to be the reviewer? Chidgk1 (talk) 12:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kingsif: Thanks for useful suggestion - I hereby switch the nomination to 5X expanded Chidgk1 (talk) 12:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kingsif: I don't see any problem with ALT5 - it is not really giving away the plot so I don't think it is a spoiler. I have not watched any of it yet but the mention of the assassins makes me more interested. Are you taking on the role of reviewer? If not whoever is the reviewer - are you happy with ALT5? Chidgk1 (talk) 12:49, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

It's not a spoiler, it's just only PLOT - it says "X tells the story of Y". Most works tell the story of something, so it's an empty hook. There's nothing about the real world. If you want me as reviewer, I would call this nom no hope and close it as a "no"; it wasn't 5x expanded in the 7 days before nom and the GA status is dubious at best, so I don't think it even qualifies, but even then the article isn't good and the hooks are nonsense or empty. Kingsif (talk) 12:58, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Oh sorry I misread your comment about 5X and did not see the "If". I won't be offended if you or anyone else wants to do a GAR - if it does not take too much time I will attempt to defend it as GA - but will abandon if too much work. Meanwhile I hereby switch back to "good article" as the basis. I don't mind who reviews so long as it is clear who that is. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:08, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
To be on the safe side it probably does need a GAR. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:15, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

As I am representing the author I cannot be a reviewer - thanks for all your helpful edits and comments - would anyone like to officially be the reviewer? Chidgk1 (talk) 07:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

General eligibility:

  • New enough: Yes
  • Long enough: Yes
  • Other problems: No - Probably needs a GAR, as others have stated. I don't know if this article is even B class, as it is. I was expecting a bit more in § Crtical response, considering how much praise the article implies the show receives. For example, English-speaking audiences would need some context as to the significance of The Wit. More importantly, an influential show is bringing awareness to Turkish history, but no one has a rebuttal, criticism, or comment on its historical inaccuracies beyond "it's a fictional show, relax"? That doesn't sound like the article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions. While it may be free from major grammatical errors, the prose falls short of what I expect from GAs. For example, Kesik says that The Great Seljuks...which contains many historical inaccuracies, is not a documentary but a historical TV series meaning that it can include many fictionalised features reads clunkily.

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - AGF based on machine translations of Turkish-language sources. I have no problems with how interesting or boring the hooks are; Alt5 is fine; if going with Alt0, I think we simply need to clarify that the celebration happened during the pandemic, though the source itself does not mention it.

QPQ: No - Original nom can claim the QPQ newbie exemption
Overall: Not sure if this is what Chidgk1 meant by would anyone like to officially be the reviewer? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 12:44, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Rotideypoc41352 but sorry I am giving this up due to ill health. Chidgk1 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Hope you get well soon. In this case, considering the article needs substantial work, I've declined it. If a GAR disagrees, please feel free to ping me, and I'd be more than happy to work with the new nominator. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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