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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:24, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

War for the Overworld[edit]

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  • ... that in the upcoming video game War for the Overworld, players command the minions that kill the heroes in the game?

Created/expanded by Odie5533 (talk), The Dark Knight 1989 (talk). Nominated by Odie5533 (talk) at 10:19, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

  • Small-ish article, but long enough.
  • I have some issues with the references. You don't have to source every sentence; for the paragraph in the "Gameplay" section, unless you're using a direct quote (which you do only once), all you have to do is put the reference at the end of the paragraph, since it supports everything in the paragraph. This is an issue throughout the article, so I suggest that you consolidate them when necessary. For your sole quote, I suggest that you put the ref after it.
  • The following sentence isn't supported by ref 2: Any funds the campaign receives beyond the initial goal will go towards twelve tiered flex goals.
  • You need support for the sentence about Richard Ridings, and the next sentence, the statement by Peter Molyneux.
  • I worry about the fact that the majority of the sources used are WP:SPS. I understand that for the topic and article size, this may be necessary. Perhaps after the game comes out, you can include more reliable sources.
  • One image, checks out. I recommend that as you expand this article, you include more, if you can find any more free ones.
  • Hooks are ok, but I suggest a hook that us non-gamers would understand. I'd be ok with any one of the current hooks, though. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:21, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
    • I like to have one ref per sentence to maintain text-source integrity; that way, whenever I add text I don't need to worry about duplicating refs. And if someone comes along to the page, they know that every single word preceding the ref should be verifiable to that ref. I often see people add a line right in the middle of a paragraph without duplicating the ref and often without even adding another ref for what was added, so having a single ref per sentence helps in this case. I don't consider this to be over referencing since it is usually only one per sentence. I fixed ref 2. I added a ref for the Peter Molyneux addition and removed the part about Ridings (these sentences were added by other editors). Regarding the images, I am happy to say that I had emailed the developers and they released all the screenshots from their press pack under CC-BY-SA, so we can definitely add more as the article expands (commons:Category:War for the Overworld). I think that ALT3 seems informative enough for the general public. --Odie5533 (talk) 22:51, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I understand that it's an editorial choice, but it's my opinion that citing every sentence breaks the WP:OVERCITE guideline, which although isn't a part of the MOS, it is something I agree with, obviously. For some of the more controversial articles, this kind of citing is necessary, but this article doesn't fall into that category. If you watch the article, you can avoid what you're talking about, and as other editors add new information, you as its main editor can correct for it. (I also think that new editors should maintain old sourcing, but I realize that may be too much to ask sometimes.) Anyway, I leave it up to you; it's early in this article's development, so it's not as important an issue currently. Thanks for the changes, and congratulations for getting the image releases! Re ALT3: You can say that because you're a gamer; as a non-gamer, I can tell you that I have no idea what building and digging dungeons mean. But I'll leave that up to your judgment; sometimes it's ok to pique readers' interests by making them question what you're talking about.
With the changes, it's good to go, with ALT3 as an acceptable hook. Nice working w'ya! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I assume you are passing this DYK, so I am adding the tick to my line. Thank you for reviewing my DYK. --Odie5533 (talk) 06:36, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm very sorry, but you should never add a tick in a review of your own nomination. Never. Query the lack, sure, and point out that it isn't truly passed without. If the reviewer doesn't respond within a reasonable period, then someone independent can be found to award that icon of passage. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
  • My apologies for the oversight, and thanks to User:BlueMoonset for bringing it to my attention. Yes, it's passed.
  • Now I have to be the one to apologize, because I should have noticed at the time that the final paragraph of the article is uncited, and mentioned that by DYK rules it needs to be. As soon as this is rectified, the approval can be restored. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:57, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Uncited paragraph removed; new material since added has necessary citations. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:45, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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