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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 14:37, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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Yongin–Seoul Expressway[edit]

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  • Comment: Unfortunately this has no RS, as I could not find source that says "This expressway has no Junction"... But I don't think this is problem, as it is a basic fact.

Created by -revi (talk). Self nominated at 16:08, 5 November 2014 (UTC).

(Note: This is my first DYK, so no QPQ is needed. — Revi 13:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC))
  • But you do need a source, both for "no junction" and for "only". EEng (talk) 06:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
@EEng: I tried to find source for them, but only thing I found is 1) Non-free, (written in Korean) image from Korea Expressway that lists all expressways of South Korea, indicating only this expressway has no junction, and 2)another non-free, Korean-written image on operators' site that this expressway has no junction. Any other google query related to this expressway mentions connection with Gyeongbu Expressway in 2018 (which is already cited). — revimsg 08:59, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
    • @-revi: Non-free sources are acceptable. I'd recommend splitting footnotes from references (see for example Piotr Skarga). References 6 and 7 could use an ur and the Korean titlel. Other references to Korean sources need to have tha author names in Korean and the Korean title in English (in other words, both the author and title should be in both languages). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Made footnote, have put trans-title for cite templates, looking for online source of President orders. (looks like they are not available on web, or is not posted/archived by National Archive of Korea...) — revimsg 05:17, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Found 2008's version, but 2004's version is neither on ko.wikisource nor on law.go.kr ... (Order itself is now defunct.) — revimsg 04:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Can I ask, has this been translated from the Korean version? I can't read Korean but running the article through a machine translator shows similar structure and content. If so, it needs to be properly attributed to comply with copyright. Fuebaey (talk) 05:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Never mind, I just saw the talk template. Just wanted to know before I start copyediting. Fuebaey (talk) 05:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
This may be another obvious question, but could you define what you mean by "no junction"? Where I'm from interchanges are also known as junctions. I can't seem to tell from the article or the source. Fuebaey (talk) 06:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
'Junction' defined in South Korea (where the highway is) means 'direct connection with other highway'. Interchanges are not counted as Junctions. — Revi 08:57, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I've done a basic copyedit, though it could do with some help from someone who's more familiar with the subject (roads). The article is a translation of the Korean version, nominated in time and just about long enough. Neutral, AGF on sources and copyvio (in Korean). No QPQ required because the nominator doesn't have more than five DYKs. I've striked the original hook because it contradicts the linked article Junction (road) - where an interchange is a sub-division of a junction (this expressway has interchanges). Can someone please check these alts:
ALT1 or ALT3 looks fine for me. — Revi 02:51, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
  • New reviewer needed to check ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:39, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
  • The article is in good shape, and I like ALT3 best (re ALT2: why would I think that expressways are connected?). Foreign language hook ref AGF and cited inline. The only lingering issue is the need for additional sourcing on the whole Composition section – where did you get those figures from? If they're from the same source, you could start off with a sentence introducing the measurements, and cite the source after that sentence. Also, the List of Facilities chart items need to be cited in the Notes section, even if you're just citing a map. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:31, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Added citations on facilities list, and Compositions here. — Revi 04:40, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you, all cites are in order. New enough, long enough, well referenced. AGF on all foreign-language refs. Foreign-language ALT3 hook ref AGF and cited inline. No QPQ necessary for first-time nominator. ALT3 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 10:06, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
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