Template talk:Automatic taxobox

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This talkpage has been used for general discussion of issues with the automated taxobox system as a whole – taxobox templates like {{Speciesbox}} or this one, taxonomy templates like Template:Taxonomy/Aves, or the design and coding of the system. It is suggested that these should now be discussed at WT:Automated taxobox system, and this page reserved for specific problems with this template.

Candidatus taxa

Ran into this recently... I see some variance in how to handle these taxa. Very few are using the automated system. I started converting one... I ran into the family first, Methylomirabilaceae, which used plain text so I automated it as such, but the linked species Methylomirabilis oxyfera that isn't yet automated uses quoted text. What is the correct way to handle these? I was thinking of trashing and replacing everything above the species as incertae sedis, but given that the full hierarchy is proposed, that might be overkill. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably worth starting a thread at TOL to figure out what to do with Candidatus taxa in general. There are a lot of articles on 'Candidatus taxa that don't indicate that status in any way in the article. Should titles include Candidatus? How should the names be formatted (quotes, italics)? There are only two taxonomy templates with Candidatus: Template:Taxonomy/Candidatus Phytoplasma and Template:Taxonomy/Candidatus Savagella. Plantdrew (talk) 17:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I'll move this convo there.... - UtherSRG (talk) 18:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any chance of writing Template:Automatic taxobox for kowiki

It would be great if this could be available in kowiki and if it could work using both English and Hangul parameters. Taxa, both animals and plants, are somewhat underrepresented in kowiki. I believe creating this in Hangul (& English) would make kowiki articles on taxa far easier to write, just as they make writing taxon articles easy in enwiki. MargaretRDonald (talk) 03:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The automated taxobox templates could be transferred to any Wiki relatively easily . However, the system relies on the taxonomy templates for the hierarchy, so you'd also need something like 30,000 taxonomy templates (might be 119k), which makes transferring the system rather onerous. — Jts1882 | talk 10:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the last few days I've received several hundred notifications about taxonomy templates I've created being linked to Wikidata. This is because there is a bot that is translating/copying templates for Serbian Wikipedia. Previously I have been flooded with notifications for taxonomy templates being created on Chinese Wikipedia. Plantdrew (talk) 16:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't received those notices but have wondered why Wikidata needs such templates. Some are being copied to other Wikipedias. For instance the Maori wiki has the templates for the full taxonomy of Panthera (see here), along with the relevant support templates and modules to display them, even though it has no articles at any of the taxa. — Jts1882 | talk 17:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turns out the automatic taxobox and speciesbox are functional there. I did a test in the editor at mi:Taika. User Ultron90 seems responsible for the copying. Perhaps they have a better idea what is involved. — Jts1882 | talk 17:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. The templates just involve a lot of copypasting based on what is needed for a specific article. I'm not well-versed in the coding to understand most of it, but I understand enough to know what to copy to another wiki. In regards to kowiki, I checked and the automatic taxobox already exists there (connected to this very template on wikidata) but it just hasn't been updated to the same level as enwiki. I could copypaste the latest version from enwiki to kowiki, but a dedicated person is needed to translate the parts of the code that gets displayed. Generally the parameters should be in the respective languages, but the coding can stay in English for compatibility with the content translation tool and the documentation for the parameters can be tailored to the interface language of each user. @MargaretRDonald if you want the kowiki template updated, you need to get a native contributor from kowiki to help if you don't already understand Korean. If there is a person willing to help but doesn't understand the coding, just tell them to contact or email me and we'll work something out. Ultron90 (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Ultron90:, @Plantdrew: and @Jts1882:.

The full taxonomy for Panthera has been generated by:

{{Don't edit this line {{{machine code|}}} |rank=genus |link=Panthera |parent=Pantherinae }}, as one would hope. @Jjw: at kowiki to may be able to find someone to work with @Ultron90: to update the templates and work on the translations where necessary. It would be great also if someone could write some bots for kowiki... MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]