Template talk:Cork City

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Colour

While remaining acutely conscious of WP:COLORWAR and hence attempting to keep aesthetics to one side, I don't see that it is consistent with precedent, convention or guideline to use red and white as the principle colours in this navbox. Also leaving aside the likelihood that a majority of readers may not recognise a significance in the proposed colours (as use seemingly requires explanation to even those familiar with the topics covered), in a general project sense I would note that:

Precedent-wise, there is limited convention for using colours in city navboxes of this type. As per previous note, the equivalent templates for a majority of cities do not follow this convention. (As per: Template:Berlin Template:City of London Template:Athlone Template:Limerick Template:Waterford Template:New York City etc)
Guideline-wise, MOS:NAVBOXCOLOUR suggests that colours used "should not make reading difficult", and (where there are multiple navboxes with different schemes) we should seek to "minimize the visual disruption by using the default colors for navboxes".

Happy to talk it through here (to avoid the apparently embarrassing label of "lame"), perhaps with a view to a compromise or alternative. Maybe a compromise might be to add colour through the use the similar flag/COA flourishes used in the equivalent Berlin template and others...? Guliolopez (talk) 22:22, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Guliolopez: There is plenty of precedent for adding colour to templates. You are being ridiculous. I think it is perfectly appropriate to add the the colours of a city to it's template. Your claim that readers will not understand the use of colours is equally ridiculous. The red and white flag is in the Cork city article infobox and I find it hard to believe that anybody who is resident in Cork would not realise the signifance of red and white. Djln Djln (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya Djln. Thanks for your note. On the first point (that I am "ridiculous"), I'm not really going to address that - other than to suggest taking a look at the WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA policies. On the main point (that people who are resident in Cork will understand the colour significance), then all I can simply note is that this project (and the 120 or so articles linked from the navbox) is not exclusively intended to be read by people "resident in Cork". Hence, as noted, a percentage (if not perhaps a majority) of readers will not necessarily recognise the significance from context. (You mention for example that the Cork city article has the red/white flag in the article - and so perhaps that context might help readers of that article to figure-it-out. However, would readers of Irish Industrial Exhibition article have the same context? Or indeed the Irish Examiner article understand why one of the multiple navboxes clashes with the others? Or the Frank O'Connor International Short Story Award? Or the SoundEye Festival?) If the navbox was only used on pages where context and colour was clear to most readers (and perhaps didn't also cause visual-disruption/clashes with other navboxes), then I could of course understand the impetus. But not when it is used broadly when context and understanding isn't likely clear. Anyway, in the spirit WP:CON (and hopefully WP:CIVIL), would you have any thoughts on the compromise or alternative that was proposed? Thanks Guliolopez (talk) 17:09, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Guliolopez: Spare me the lectures about WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA please. How civil is it to go about reverting edits. If you so are sensitive about being labelled "ridiculous" then I suggest you get off Wiki and the internet in general. It is totally irrelevant if readers instantly recognise colours or not. The template is about Cork city and the fact that red and white are the city colours quickly becomes apparent to anyboby reading articles on template. It's not rocket science. Djln Djln (talk) 17:42, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Hopefully all is well. On the first point, collaborative and good-faith edits which build upon others' contributions are fundamental to the project. And not normally considered incivil. If somehow my own edit caused such offence however, then I can but apologise. On the second point, it is unlikely to "quickly become apparent" to a reader of the Irish Examiner article why one navbox uses a conflicting style/scheme to others. In general I opened this thread to discuss possible compromise and agree a consensus. If we are not going to do that (and instead suggest that other good faith editors "get off the project") then I am not sure what else to offer. Cheers and all the best. Guliolopez (talk) 20:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New districts

Just came across this template for the first time. I'm not really too bothered about using it tbh, but for those who are interested, I thought it might be worth pointing out that it doesn't seem to have been updated to address that the city boundaries are now larger than what they used to be. Districts missing, as well as schools, and a few other things. Also, should CIT now be MTU? Xx78900 (talk) 23:50, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]