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The Night single

just 2 mention that next single from Disturbed is "The Night" and it will also feature the Indestructible version of Midlife Crisis. It will be released sometime next year, depending on when Inside the Fire is dethroned from No.1 of mainstream rock track and begins to drop. I have heard this from a friend who works in Reprise, and this was also confirmed with other staff. If you dont believe that, then look at the Indestructible Trailer - It features Inside the Fire, Perfect Insanity, The Night and Indestructible, hmm i wonder why??? And also if you look at iTunes and other music downloading sites, you have Inside the Fire and Indestructible being the top downloads for Disturbed, followed by The Night, so it as i predicted.

Very good, but we don't take unpublished facts. Everything you're stating is original research and not verifiable by and reliable sources. The original research policy states: "Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas." Your "facts" are merely that -- unpublished speculation. That's not article material, and even if it is true, it still can't be added. That's because the verifiability policy clearly states: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true." Do you see any connections? Get Warner/Reprise to publish these supposed "facts" in a well-documented article/interview by a reliable source, then you can cite that here. But as of now, you do not have sufficient proof. dude527 (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, releasing "The Night" wouldn't be good for marketing. A song like "Torn" would be more profitable, as it's the most different track on the album. The point of releasing singles, is for promotion, but why would you keep releasing the same sounding material over and over if you wanted to promote? It doesn't make sense and it's not very marketable, since usually singles are unique songs, that try to target a new audience, and win over some new fans. dude527 (talk) 09:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To whoever keeps adding "The Night" as a single to this template: please stop. It is only a rumored single, and no one knows when it will be released - if it will be released.--Disturbed Nerd 999 16:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was announced as the next single and it already gained radio airplay.MetalMagnet1987 (talk) 14:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be helpful to add a source. Otherwise, please stop adding it to the template. Thanks. Fantasy Dragon (talk) 02:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

blabbermouth.net is one of the sources i know that says that The Night will be the next single.MetalMagnet1987 (talk) 14:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't have an article, and these templates are supposed to be used primarily for putting all article links on an accumulative topic in one place on each page related to the topic. --The Guy _complain ^edits 03:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

u don't believe me, see the video. it's now available.MetalMagnet1987 (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe you; I've seen the music video, as well as the one interview with the band declaring this. However, you've not even responded to my former comment, just made another one of your own. I don't know if you simply don't understand my former comment, or are choosing to ignore it in being adamant. I simply don't know, but let me explain. This template is not supposed to be an informational pamphlet. The sole purpose of this article is, I daresay under the risk of being mistaken, to be a, in blunt terms, "puddle of links." In other words, the template is solely meant to be a place for all significant links on Wikipedia that are related to a topic of choice (in this case, the rock band Disturbed) to exist in one place. It's meant to bear links, that's it. That's why we place it at the bottom of every page that is related to the aforementioned topic of choice. It's not supposed to be informational; that's the purpose of the articles, not the templates. Therefore, since "The Night" does not have a Wikipedia article of its own, it does not warrant placement in this template. If there is no article, there is no link, and therefore no place in this template. --The Guy _complain ^edits 02:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My proof^[1]MetalMagnet1987 (talk) 00:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to barge in like this, but you are still missing his point. He's not asking for further evidence. Instead of just adding the text to the page, can I make a suggestion? Since you're a big fan of Disturbed and you have found a few sources, why not create the page for it? Fantasy Dragon (talk) 04:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There would be a notability issue; WP:N suggests that, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." The issue with this is that "The Night" doesn't necessarily have wide media coverage. Other than that one interview from Blabbermouth.net announcing the music video, there is not a whole lot of sources. The lack of sources doesn't satisfy the significant coverage needed to imply notability, and therefore the information that would typically go on the independent article should instead be merged with another related article; in this case, Indestructible. Also, the information that would typically be applied to an article for "The Night" is already present in the article for Indestructible, and it's not much. Another reason is that they literally can't create the article. Back in September and October, editors were using that one interview with the band Disturbed as grounds to create an article for the single. Every re-created article consisted of one or two sourced statements, a whole lot of cruft, and then some speculation as to what the video would depict. This occurred five or six times, so I notified an administrator, who locked the ability to create such an article, unless notability could be proven and a substantial article created. I'm guessing this little tirade of constant template-changing are just remnants of part of the population that kept re-creating that article. Anyways, I doubt they will listen to what I say, as they have already ignored me twice. I think that the best course of action would be to notify an administrator if this continues. --The Guy _complain ^edits 22:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, just to let you know, I help another person run a large Disturbed fansite, and we all know it will be the next single, but it hasn't been officially announced. Seeing as Disturbed's website is never updated, I would expect it to be on blabbermouth first. I agree that it shouldn't be added until it is officially announced. After all, you can have a video, release the song to radio stations, and still not have the song be a single. Just MHO. Disturbedmb (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found this on blabbermouth. It's been six months since they announced it ^[2]. MetalMagnet1987 (talk) 13:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll say this one more time, real loud and clear for the both of you. I don't need more convincing or proof. I have seen the video, I have heard the interview, and I know that this is your next single. However, you (Metalmagnet) are ignoring the reason why this text can't be on the template, and I've stated it many times. This template is meant to be a puddle of links. Since "The Night" doesn't have an article, it doesn't have a link, and therefore no place on this template. --The Guy _complain ^edits 22:43, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, make an article or keep it out. I don't even know if there is enough on it for an article yet. Disturbedmb (talk) 12:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

look at some of the bands' wiki page (Mudvayne, Five Finger Death Punch, etc.). their recent singles doesn't have articles yet and yet they get added to the template. do the same for The Night.MetalMagnet1987 (talk) 11:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just because they do it like that doesn't mean it's right. Now, I don't edit those templates (if I did, it would have that dead text for the singles). You can't just say, however, that "it's used like this here, so use it like that there." Especially not in this case. I will not be adding "The Night" until it has its own link, as this template is meant to be a "puddle of links," as I've explained before. --The Guy _complain ^edits 12:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=40185

[2] ttp://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=108748

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