Template talk:Episode table/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Caption

When a caption heading is not used, there should not be a leading space before the table. Can this be fixed? Thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 01:37, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@TAnthony: Should be fixed now! Alex|The|Whovian 02:17, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

@AlexTheWhovian: Actually, after your edit, when |caption= is used the table was misformatted. I also noticed that using |total_width= messes up the table as well. This one is wonky ;) — TAnthony^Talk 02:53, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey @TAnthony:, can you let us know where you are seeing the leading space when you don't use caption? Thanks. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:05, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure, check out Winterthorne.— TAnthony^Talk 04:52, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

That wasn't due to a lack of caption, that was because the |episodes= parameter was missing. Alex|The|Whovian 05:03, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, sorry for the confusion on that. Can you update the documentation with a better explanation of what that parameter does? Between its mention right after "Usage" and the parameter description itself, I'm still no comprendo.— TAnthony^Talk 05:12, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I'll see what I can do. The |episodes= parameter is simply where you put all of the usages of {{Episode list}}, since before, you were adding them into the |aux4T= parameter. Alex|The|Whovian 05:16, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I just realized as you were writing this that (duh) |episodes= is to frame the sub templates, and |total_width= wasn't working because I put it after |episodes=.— TAnthony^Talk 05:20, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Cool. Glad we got it all figured out! - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:48, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Column headers

A long time ago we started using "No. in series" and "No. in season" as column headers in episode tables. This is fine for the U.S., Canada and some Australian articles, where "series" refers to the entire program, but UK and other Australian articles present some problems as "series" refers to what in the US would be a season. As a result, there is little consistency in headers. For example:

• List of Primeval episodes uses only one column for episode numbers as the episodes don't have formal titles and are listed as "Episode 1", "Episode 2" etc, resetting for each new season. The EpisodeNumber column uses "Overall number" as the column header.
• List of Atlantis episodes uses numbering along the lines of US programs, with "Series No." and "Episode No." replacing "No. in series" and "No. in season".
• List of Top Gear episodes uses "Total" and "No." as column headers.
• Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares uses "No. overall" and "No. in series" as column headers.
• List of Sea Patrol episodes (this is an Australian programme) uses "Series episode: and "Season episode" as column headers.

I feel that "No. overall" and "No. in series" are probably the best option for non-US/Canada programmes, and we should probably code that into the template, possibly driven by |country= to force the switch. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:24, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I agree. I think driving it by another param than the country would be best, because if you have an Australian article that uses US/Canada convention, and want to have viewers state "Australian viewers", it would then switch the first two columns. So something independent of that should be used. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Actually, that's not a real problem. We can use a single parameter to select multiple output options using #switch. Our most common formats are US/Canada, UK, and the two formats used by Australian articles which is nothing really, and we can add as many different versions as is necessary. We just need unique names for the field inputs. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

"No. overall" sounds a bit awkward – I suggest to use simply "Episode no." for that column. This would also correspond to the infobox item "No. of episodes" which seems to be acceptable everywhere. Then the other column can switch between series and season (as does the infobox item) depending on the local customs. –Dark Cocoa Frosting (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

"Episode no." has been tried in the past and failed miserably, especially since both columns are episode numbers. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

"No. overall" should definitely be used. Thinking about this now (which may result in moving the discussion to the TV project) should we just simplify things and make the 1st column universally "No. overall" and the second "No. in season" or "No. in series", depending on locale? I think that would be easier, and would result in the following easy changes: |series= now would become |overall=, and then |series= and |season= could be used interchangeably, with each creating the desired heading text. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:42, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

I was actually thinking along these lines myself. It would minimise the number of variations and standardise more. --AussieLegend (✉) 21:49, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

That could work, sure. Is there a tool that lists all pages transcluding this template, so we can make the necessary adjustments to them? (I was personally thinking of keeping |series= and |season= how they were, and introducing |alternate_numbering= to swap the head text, but this would work too.) Alex|The|Whovian 01:20, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Just thinking of the "uninformed" users, I feel my parameter choice would be simpler for someone to understand what it will do. And as of my post, this template is being transcluded about 600 time, at all of these articles. If we decide to move forward with the change, we can probably get a bot or AWB to adjust. I'd say the easiest would be to change all current "series" uses to "overall" and then take a look at the transcluded articles to find the ones that need to switch season with series. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:30, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough that. I've implemented it in the sandbox and test cases, while keeping the use of just "No." when neither the series/season parameters are set, and only allowing one use of series/season (i.e. both cannot be present). Alex|The|Whovian 03:47, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm fine with how that implements. If no one else objects, I'd say let's make the change to the live template and adjust. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:51, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I've implemented it, but we're going to need a bot or AWB soon (I'm not familiar with either of these). A lot of articles are going wonky with this. Alex|The|Whovian 06:27, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I've reverted the changes for the time being as the changes have broken multiple articles, The template is now used in 598 articles, and you can't just change a widely used template and slowly fix articles. A better solution is necessary, and the solution needs to be clear before changes are implemented. When merging {{Infobox television film}} and {{Infobox television}} it was necessary to create a number of temporary aliases that were later removed,[1] and we may need to do something like that here. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

And what of the 50+ articles that have already been updated? Do we revert them, then revert the revert when a "better" solution is present? Alex|The|Whovian 07:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

That would be the best option, of which there are a few. One is to update articles progressively to use the updated sandbox code. When all are done, we implement the changes in the main template and then do an AWB run to switch articles back to the main template (that will just require changing "Episode table/sandbox" back to "Episode table"). This way we ensure articles are down for the minimum period of time. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:26, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I've modified the implementations so that both new and old versions are supported, so nothing is broken. I've request use of AWB, so that once that's approved, I'll run the replacements as required, then tweak the implementation to the originally-planned verison. Alex|The|Whovian 07:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I think we need to include aliases that reflect the parameter names used in {{episode list}} to avoid any ambiguities. I've seen comments by editors about this in episode summaries, usually when they've removed the template and returned to raw code. The link between "overall" and "series" to "EpisodeNumber" is not obvious. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:35, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

All of the relevant articles have now had their parameters modified appropriately (minus the differentiation between series and season), so I've restored the edit. And when you mean aliases, would you mean having a parameter called EpisodeNumber that does the same as overall? Alex|The|Whovian 12:16, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, in the same way that channel is an alias for network in {{Infobox television}}. --AussieLegend (✉) 13:17, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

So, if we use EpisodeNumber to do the same as overall, what do we do with season/series and EpisodeNumber2? Alex|The|Whovian 13:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Not mobile friendly

FYI in case you didn't know it has been reported that this template does not render too well on mobile screens.

Does it really need to be a table? If so could we imagine some better way to present the data when the screen is restricted to 320px? Jdlrobson (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Not sure why this is being reported on this particular page (though perhaps it should have been brought to Wikipedia directly first, instead of being discussed on Twitter). The {{Episode table}} template deals with the header of the table, not the descriptions. Perhaps it is more apt to discuss this issue on the talk page of {{Episode list}}, which is the template that deals with the data within the tables. (And how else would you display the multitudes of data concerning television series episodes without a table?) Alex|The|Whovian 15:42, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I think it's actually an issue with True Detective (season 2). Other season pages using this table render properly on mobile devices. Check out NCIS (season 13) for example. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

What exactly is the issue? That the whole table isn't rendered in a standard upright mobile view? Because the table inherently won't be able to do that, so a user will have to scroll over. That's happening to me on True Detective S2 and NCIS S13. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I believe that the user's issue here isn't the whole table itself, but specifically the table cells that hold the episode descriptions. Alex|The|Whovian 23:13, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

How many air-dates

Moved to Template talk:Episode list § How many air-dates

 – - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

The multi airdate column has to be clarified as to it's use. Another TV series Jekyll and Hyde (TV series) has had the additional airdate of Canada inserted even though it's two months after the original airing. At this rate every English speaking country will want their own air date. REVUpminster (talk) 15:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

This template merely provides header information, which was previously generated by raw table code. It is used in lists that have used {{Episode list}} for many years, and it is {{Episode list}} that supports the use of alternative dates. --AussieLegend (✉) 16:40, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

The usage says "The next notable air date, such as the first air date of an anime in English." Does the "next" mean only one other date and what is "notable". ie a rebroadcast in another country. REVUpminster (talk) 17:25, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

I am moving this discussion to Template talk:Episode list. That is the appropriate section for this discussion. Please re-join the discussion there. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:41, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Custom CSS

Is there an interface for adding inline style? Specifically, I'd like to be able to left-align the table caption, so if the template has an interface to do that, that's cool, too. Ringbang (talk) 02:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Is there a specific reason for left-aligning the caption? Alex|The|Whovian^? 02:35, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Aliases

Should we include alias parameters that reflect the parameters used in {{Episode list}}? So, for suggestion, while we could/would still use

{{Episode table |caption=This is a caption |background=#B40000 |overall=5 |season=5 |title=17 |director=11 |writer=37 |airdate=10 |prodcode=6 |viewers=9 |country=U.S.}}

we could also use

{{Episode table |caption=This is a caption |background=#B40000 |EpisodeNumber=5 |EpisodeNumber2=5 |Title=17 |DirectedBy=11 |WrittenBy=37 |OriginalAirDate=10 |ProdCode=6 |Viewers=9 |country=U.S.}}

This would make it easier for editors that are new to this template to use. The only issue would be how we deal with the alias of EpisodeNumber2 and season/series. Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Comments? Alex|The|Whovian^? 04:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good, perhaps default to season and use |series=y (make sure the two styles cannot be mixed to avoid confusion, and since |series= would have two different meanings with my proposed solution). nyuszika7h (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

 Done I ended up using EpisodeNumber2 for season, and EpisodeNumber2Series for seasonseries, to prevent confusing with the use of the series parameter. Alex|The|Whovian^? 22:51, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I guess that second "season" was meant to be "series". nyuszika7h (talk) 10:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Yep. Fixed it. Alex|The|Whovian^? 12:14, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Errors

The recent change by AlexTheWhovian seems to have broken a large number of pages and put them in this category:

The same error is also occurring on the testcases.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 17:28, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Hopefully I’ve fixed it; realised immediately after posting how to do it.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 17:34, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

@JohnBlackburne: Thanks for that. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Alex|The|Whovian^? 00:32, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

The key was the testcases page, which showed only the <100% width case was affected. I only looked at it after I had written most of the above, and only then thought I could easily fix it. A good argument for always having (and testing any changes against) a comprehensive testcases page.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 01:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps you can help me. Since I created the module, Category:Articles using Template:Episode table with invalid colour combination became filled with articles that use this template, but the category only gets added if a background parameter exists, and if it meets the standards. However, many of the articles in that category don't have a background set. Any idea? Alex|The|Whovian^? 01:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I found one, Someone Knows Something, and a purge fixed it. This happens a lot – pages get added to Category:Pages with script errors but they have no errors, and have not been edited recently. I think it’s normally as a template was changed or created with an error, then changed to fix it/supress it, but while it was live with the error some pages were generated and their states cached, including categories. Wait long enough and the problem goes away of its own accord but if you are trying to track down a problem then purging can eliminate false positives.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 03:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that. Once I implemented the fixes, I noticed the pages disappearing from the category. Now the rest should disappear, since the category should only be added to pages in the mainspace. Alex|The|Whovian^? 04:07, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Row-spanning boxes

Is there a way to use these in this template? In some cases multiple consecutive episodes aired on the first day so instead of repeating the same date in multiple rows in the column I am wondering if I could somehow unify the boxes and put the date once. Ranze (talk) 17:36, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ranze: How would you span these boxes when the episodes have a summary? You couldn't. And this discussion should have been held at Template talk:Episode list. Alex|The|Whovian^? 22:26, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Citations in captions look funny

CItations in header titles look somewhat odd, They're surrounded by a little white box. An example appears on List of Seinfeld episodes next to "Prod code" and "Original Air Date" Znolar (talk) 04:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

@Znolar: This is so that references in the header comply with WP:COLOR, so that the blue of the references can easily be seen against the background color of the header. Else, the Season 1 header for Sienfeld would look like what's below. Can you see the references? Not at all. Alex|The|Whovian^? 08:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Directed by	Written by	Original air date	Prod. code	U.S. viewers (millions)

References

How about having them white? Then they would fit with the the text next to them. Znolar (talk) 09:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

References in the table header should remain the same colour as references in the body of the article. Besides, I don't believe that there is a way to change the colour of a reference. What do you mean by "they would fit with the text next to them"? Alex|The|Whovian^? 10:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I think Znolar means, if the text is white, the ref color should be white. However, I think this was discussed regarding this before, the color of the reference should not be changed, as readers will not realize if it is a source or not. Hence, putting the white background behind it, is the best solution to be compliant. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Color display with split parts

@Drovethrughosts and AlexTheWhovian: Regarding this, I only thought to change the color of the split part headings because the full heading and Volume One looked merged together, and at first glance I thought there was a display problem where one of the column titles (Volume One) was rendering incorrectly. I see now that the examples in the template documentation use consistent colors for parts, but they are dark colors which produce white text and lines. The default lines for lighter colors seem grey, and while that's fine in most cases, I think it's a problem when we have split parts in a list like List of Outlander episodes. The most obvious workaround is just to use a dark color for the season in question, but I bring it up in case you think adjustments to the template should be made.— TAnthony^Talk 21:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I tried a darker color and it's really an improvement. Looking closely, it does not seem that the lines are white, I believe they are the same color all the time but show up better against darker colors. Assuming this is not something we should be customizing, and assuming you agree that the stacked headings should be visibly separated, I think darker colors for seasons with parts should be explicitly recommended in the template documentation.— TAnthony^Talk 22:01, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Episode table colours should reflect the home media releases for each particular season, and should not be chosen arbitrarily. If you know of a way to implement a white border between the two rows, I would be happy to implement it. Alex|The|Whovian^? 01:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@Drovethrughosts: Thanks for this update to the Outlander colors (I hadn't researched the DVD as yet) but the combo does not seem to be fully compliant to WP:COLORS. It seems that we only have to be AAA complaint "when feasible" but I would think it's a minor issue to make the shade a bit darker (and fully compliant), enough for a white font. I don't want to get into a color back-and forth with you though, are we generally fully complaint across the TV lists or no?— TAnthony^Talk 20:45, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@TAnthony: Thanks for letting me know. I usually check if colors are fully compliant, but I (mistakenly) assumed that one would be. I've updated the color, it's now fully compliant. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:56, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks.— TAnthony^Talk 21:39, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

aux 1 does not work

I tried this in a preview, it is only recognized if I put it in as Aux1. Can someone fix this? ScratchMarshall (talk) 00:59, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

@ScratchMarshall: The parameter has never had a space, so there's nothing to fix. Use |aux1=. -- Alex^TW 07:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 11 February 2019

Add a column for Amazon Video Episode Guide. Mommiepickles (talk) 02:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. -- /Alex/₂₁ 02:16, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Can someone help find bug in code? Episode summaries not showing anymore?

At some point the episode table for S1 got moved from Drag Race Thailand to a new page Drag Race Thailand (season 1) but in the move something happened so the episode summary no longer appears. Compare [2] to [3]. The code is literally the same, so why aren't the episode summaries showing up anymore? Help would be appreciated, thanks. Umimmak (talk) 20:45, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Apologies, I just realized this should probably be asked in Template talk:Episode list; I'll ask this there instead. Umimmak (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Update: it's fixed now! Umimmak (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Quote marks in wrong place

Citations for episode titles are currently being placed inside quotes (e.g., "Pilot[1]"). They should go outside (e.g., "Pilot"[1]). Samer (talk) 17:50, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

That's because the citation is being placed within the |Title= parameter. This is incorrect; they should be placed within the |RTitle= parameter. -- /Alex/₂₁ 23:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

help with List of WTF with Marc Maron episodes#Other episodes

The last table of "Other episodes" is not displaying here for me: List of WTF with Marc Maron episodes#Other episodes. Instead it just shows this text linked to this template: {{Template:Episode table}}. I have searched the formatting and the previous tables' code to see if something is missing, but the cause is not obvious. The bad formatting appears to have occurred with this edit. Any idea? —Мандичка^YO 😜 23:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

The page is too large in size so no more templates can work. Gonnym (talk) 23:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

That's dumb. Why is there a size limit? Is the only solution to split this page? —Мандичка^YO 😜 21:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

No idea why or how much Wikipedia set the size limit to. Splitting is probably the easiest solution. You could probably ask at the WP:VPT if there is someway else. --Gonnym (talk) 23:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Gonnym: Are you sure this is a size limit issue? The entire page is only about 150k. Big, but not ridiculous. The tables are long but brief, only three things in each row. Thanks for your help. —Мандичка^YO 😜 00:21, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the page is located in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. --Gonnym (talk) 09:17, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Episode table template grammar issue

See Episode table template grammar issue 119.224.3.221 (talk) 21:46, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

The discussion should be happening here, not there. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: The discussion started there due to the grammar inquiry. And don't speak for other users. Also for the last time if you want to keep it to country then you simply have the country field value prefixed with "Viewing in " instead of the incorrect suffix of " viewers." 119.224.3.221 (talk) 00:32, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

And technically "the" should prefix abbreviated regions such as "the U.S." and "the U.K." 119.224.3.221 (talk) 00:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

the Lua code to correct this would be: 119.224.3.221 (talk) 02:06, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

local region = args.country ~= '' and args.country ~= nil

local viewers = 'View' .. (region and 'ed in<br>' or 'ers') .. (region and string.match(args.country,'.') and 'the ' or '') .. (region and args.country or '') ..

((not args.viewers_type or args.viewers_type ~= '') and '<br>(' .. (args.viewers_type or 'millions') .. ')' or '')

for "country=U.S.":
Viewed in
the U.S.
(millions)

for "country=Canada":
Viewed in
Canada
(millions)

for no country:
Viewers
(millions)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.3.221 (talk) 02:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

RS don't use the word "Viewing" and use "Viewers", see this, but maybe the correct phrasing should be "Viewers in country", it's just longer. --Gonnym (talk) 09:26, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes "Viewers" is fine when no region is mentioned, when a region is included it should be "Viewing in region." Also one or two short words makes it marginally longer. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 22:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

The alternative would be to use nationality instead, but that seems less preferred than region. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

"Viewing" is grammarically wrong, since it is the present participle of the verb "view", and the people are not currently viewing the show. I don't think "U.S. viewers" is wrong, but this would be OK: ! style="width:5em;" | Viewers {{#if:{{{country|}}}|in {{Nowrap|{{{country}}}}}}} (millions), yielding:

Viewers in Liechtenstein (millions)
123.4

I'll also note that titles in tables and graphs are often necessarily abbreviated because of space limitations. Some practices, like removing articles ("the" in front of "U.S."), may be technically poor grammar, but they are understandable and quite common. The existing "U.S. Viewers" is perfectly understandable, too – common sense says that it is based on the location of the viewer, not their nationality (how would they know the viewer's nationality without reading the chip implanted in their neck? Oops, I've said too much. ). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry it should have been "Viewed" and nationality is generally defined by the region your in not your citizenship status. The title for airdate "Original air date" is quite big. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 23:33, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

On a side note this wiki outputs HTML, not stupid XHTML, so editors should stop using XML style break tags. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 23:37, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I changed them because some syntax-coloring algos, including that used by the wiki's editor, think <br> is an unclosed tag. It is debateable (not here, and not by me) as to whether that is wrong or not, but it is easily solved by using <br />, which renders the same and also colors correctly in the editor. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:20, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

That's yet another reason not to use the visual editor. And it's not debateable as the doctype this wiki uses clearly states HTML, not XHTML. The editor who wrote the Lui module this template uses, also incorrectly used XML breaks. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 00:39, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm talking about the standard (not the visual) editor. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 05:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Huh??? The syntax highlight colors all tags the same color, and it still doesn't change the fact the wiki doctype output is html and not xhtml. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

nationality is generally defined by the region your in not your citizenship status – not really, per the nationality article. I don't see why that's relevant. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

In terms of how viewers are metered nationality does. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't get it. Perhaps someone else will comment. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 05:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

the regional sample that gets metered for ratings metrics are generally only people with legal nation status. 119.224.3.221 (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Are there sources that use "nationality" viewers? We must do as they do not make our own rules. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:56, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

This is kind of a mute option as country/region seems to be preferred. So will there be a change to using the more correct " in " suffix or will the incorrect format stay? 22:18, 4 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.3.221 (talk) 22:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

What do the reliable source use? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Görlitz (talk • contribs) 23:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Well that was embarrassing! Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:45, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

adding a table footer parameter?

Is there a way to automatically add a footer to long tables? The use of this template precludes the normal table formatting so it isn't possible to use the "!" syntax to add a footer at the end. Presumably this could be something that is added with a |footer=yes/|footer=no parameter. Has this been discussed in the past? - Paul^T+/_C 14:15, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

No idea if this has been discussed in the past. Can you give an example for what this might be used for? --Gonnym (talk) 21:59, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean? Say you are looking at episode 14 from season 5 of Breaking Bad. At a glance, was Rian Johnson the writer or the director? If there was a footer in the table this would be more obvious and easier to find out quickly. See the tables at List of Super Bowl champions for examples of what it might look like. - Paul^T+/_C 22:57, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Psantora: Are you aware of the preference "Make sure that headers of tables remain in view as long as the table is in view (requires Firefox v59 or Safari)" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets (if applicable)? I expect that this may become available in other browsers, too, and is a better solution than adding duplicate headers (that will no doubt fall out of sync with the top ones eventually). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 09:45, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

@AlanM1: That works for logged in-users that have the preference/gadget available and enabled (which I do and it works great), but we are here to build an encyclopedia for everyone – especially readers that are only here looking for information and not to contribute to the project. My suggestion was to add a |footer= parameter to the template so that the header information would automatically be added to the footer, without any concerns about them falling "out of sync" with the headers (which isn't really a big problem for these types of tables anyway). - Paul^T+/_C 16:41, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Let's say we do add that option. How does that handle this? It seems like anything other than a sticky header is just half a solution. --Gonnym (talk) 19:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean? The idea would be to allow readers to go to either the top or bottom of the table to see the headers |No. overall |No. in season |Title |Directed by |Written by |Original air date |U.S. viewers (millions)|; I see any benefit to the Part 1/Part 2 distinction (indeed the sticky header only shows the rows I listed). This would make it twice as likely to be able to find the header quickly. - Paul^T+/_C 20:45, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I understand what you meant. My link shows a scenario where you are in hte middle of the table and have no header visible, either top or the requested bottom, so adding one at the bottom wouldn't have fixed that issue. I'm also not sure how a header cell at the bottom complies with accessibility requirements. --Gonnym (talk) 08:11, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

The point is that by adding the footer it is twice as easy for a user to be able to figure out what the headings are; either by scrolling up *or* down. The whole point is to increase accessibility in general and I don't see how adding this information would have any negative impact on screen readers for example. If anything it would help in that case as well. - Paul^T+/_C 22:15, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion

For Netflix (and others) where a season is released in one day, I think better to put release date like this below to avoid redundancy:

Original release date: Date
No. overall	No. in season	Title	Directed by	Written by

Hddty. (talk) 04:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree to this suggestion. A lot of series in today's era ( not just on Netflix ) are moving towards single-day releases for entire seasons / series. It makes a lot of sense to implement this feature now. Of course, you could hack this out by putting the release date as generic wikitext above the {{Episode Table}} and leave it at that. ~ shine | talk 18:52, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Why? What's wrong with OriginalAirDate? Why would we list it as the first row, why is it more important than all the other cells to be listed first? -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Request: Help with "Template:Episode table/ref"

Greetings and felicitations. The documentation for {{Episode table/ref}} seems to have been copied and pasted from the {{Episode table}} documentation without specifying how to use the (sub-)template. I have several tables that need to have their references moved into them—how do I go about that? —DocWatson42 (talk) 04:51, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

DocWatson42, see Marvel Cinematic Universe#Feature films. {{Episode table/ref|b=COLOUR|r=REFERENCE}} -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:54, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Aux last custom-named field breaking headers

I'd like to report a finding ( maybe, I could be wrong too ) bug with this Template. It is that the aux last custom-named field(s) breaks the rendering of the template if the fields are simply re-arranged in a random order. The fields that are supposed to be displayed after the specific aux field are getting shot down to the bottom of the table if the aux said fields are out of sequence custom-named using the {variable}T. Any named fields ( those that are not custom-named ) are affected and get shot down to the bottom of the table.

Examples : Here, I moved custom-named {variable}Ts to the end of the list to demonstrate that the bug was indeed at the end of the table definition.

Aux 1

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
1	1	"Aux1Title"Aux1RTitle "Aux1AltTitle" (English: Aux1NativeTitle)Aux1RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

Aux 2

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
2	2	"Aux2Title"Aux2RTitle "Aux2AltTitle" (English: Aux2NativeTitle)Aux2RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

Aux 3

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
3	3	"Aux3Title"Aux3RTitle "Aux3AltTitle" (English: Aux3NativeTitle)Aux3RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

Aux 4

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
4	4	"Aux4Title"Aux4RTitle "Aux4AltTitle" (English: Aux4NativeTitle)Aux4RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

Test 5

Re-arrange named fields within the table

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
5	5	"Aux5Title"Aux5RTitle "Aux5AltTitle" (English: Aux5NativeTitle)Aux5RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

Test 6

Move all named fields to the end of the table

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
6	6	"Aux6Title"Aux6RTitle "Aux6AltTitle" (English: Aux6NativeTitle)Aux6RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

Test 7

Rename a named field in the table and put it at the end of the table to confirm whether it is a {variable}T issue.

No. overall	Serson	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
7	7	"Aux7Title"Aux7RTitle "Aux7AltTitle" (English: Aux7NativeTitle)Aux7RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

Test 8

What would happen if there was an empty ( named ) field at the end of the table other than a custom name?

No. overall	No. in season	Title	Aux1	Directed by	Written by	Aux2	Aux3	Original air date	AltDate	Prod. code	Viewers (millions)	Aux4
8	8	"Aux8Title"Aux8RTitle "Aux8AltTitle" (English: Aux8NativeTitle)Aux8RAltTitle	Aux1	Director	Writer	Aux2	Aux3	May 25, 2024	May 27	ProdCode	1	Aux4
Don't add copyrighted text, e.g. from the show's website -->

No, the table would not even render the rows at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shine Nelson (talk • contribs)

@Shine Nelson: That's because you're forgetting, in all of your cases, the |episodes= parameter as the final parameter of {{Episode table}} before you start using {{Episode list}}. I added it. All fixed! -- /Alex/₂₁ 01:59, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh no, my bad. I'm sorry I didn't notice that it was a required field. Thank you for correcting me @Alex 21:. I'll fix it on pages where I've made this mistake. Thanks again. ~ shine | talk 11:09, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

My Suicide Story

Hello,

Can anyone assist in fixing the episode list on this page. Currently, it sits below the infobox, while the title "episdoes" remains at the top. Is there anyway to make the table move up under the "episodes" title in the space to the left of the infobox? Any help is much appreciated! Hidden Hills Editor (talk) 16:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Please disregard, this issue has been fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hidden Hills Editor (talk • contribs) 16:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Raw code for template??

Where is the raw code for this template so that some people have the ability to use it on other mediawiki sites? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.181.135 (talk) 17:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by raw code? Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The source code is not readily viewable for this template because it invokes Module:Episode list. The coding is there but I'm not sure how Lua works outside of Wikipedia.— TAnthony^Talk 19:16, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Sortable?

Is there any way to make this sortable? I'd like to make a list of podcast episodes sortable by runtime and guest, rather than merely by date. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! —Мандичка^YO 😜 23:20, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

It would take a bit of work. The dates would have to be converted to a sortable format. The others would be simple. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:53, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Inherently, no, this table is not meant for sorting. I also don't see why a podcast article would need that info to be sortable. If you wish that, it's probably best to just convert it to a simple wikitable to do it, especially if summaries aren't used. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:40, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

I can see for guest, although it would be more likely that one would search for a guest, but I'm not sure why runtime would be a key to sort on. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:27, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Episode Table and Episode List

It doesn't work Redemption Code (talk) 03:01, 29 May 2020 (UTC)