Template talk:North Atlantic Treaty Organization/Archive 1

Interlanguage links

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Interlanguage links on MediaWiki pages has disruptive effects in the articles where the are used. Moved Interlanguage link to talk. -- Mic 22:38, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)

You can safely add interwiki links to templates by using <noinclude></noinclude> tags. I've added a few to demonstrate.--Pharos 17:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Use Military of...

I suggest all the links should point to the Military of' articles (eg Military of Belgium, Military of the United Kingdom) since NATO is primarily a military organisation. At the moment this template is used on *some* country articles, but not all. -- Joolz 16:03, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Should this template be used in country articles (such Belgium or United Kingdom) then? One has to search in such template the country he is currently visiting, because it isn't bolded (the article on Belgium is something else than Military of Belgium). This (at least in my eyes) severely harms the use of the template. -- Sandius 10:35, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

It should only be used in articles such as Military of Belgium, the ones on the country articles should be removed. This follows through on a judgement made er.. somewhere, about the usage of these templates (e.g., Template:WTO is on the Economy of series) - I can't find the place where it was decided now, I'll have a look, it's here somewhere! ;) -- Joolz 13:10, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

It was here I think: Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes -- Joolz 13:24, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

FYROM

See Template talk:Europe#Republic of Macedonia. There has been a point raised that NATO calls it FYROM, and that the template should follow this, but in my view the templates should use the same name (Republic of Macedonia or R. Macedonia) for the sake of consistency. --GunnarRene 15:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Protected over RoM issue

I've protected the template for now. Now, to spell it out clearly: We use "Republic of Macedonia" on Wikipedia, as this is the most neutral way to call this country, despite what some Greeks would like to make us believe. ;) What exactly are your problems with that? —Nightstallion (?) 05:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

As I said above, since NATO calls it FYROM, there is some sense in using that on the NATO template, but for consistency, and because Republic of Macedonia is a unique and descriptive name until any of the other Macedonias become republics, Republic of Macedonia it is. See Talk:FYROM for the whoe discussion. --GunnarRene 12:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we have a manual of style that prescribes very specifically the nomenclature to be used in cases such as these. In the case of an international organisation such as NATO, that is the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, verbatim. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 14:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Albania and Croatia

I have reverted this edit on the grounds of prematurity. AFAIK, Albania and Croatia have only been invited to begin accession talks; they aren't yet members as such. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 04:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Identificação dos navios NATO

Caros Senhores. Coleciono fotos de Navios, por esse facto, é-me de grande importância saber os números atribuídos aos navios NOTO, por nacionalidae, para identificaçao. Poderão V. Exas. dar-me essa informação. Desde Já agadeço encarecidamente. José Paiva, Sobchefe da Polícia Marítima (aposentado) dasilvapaiva@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.90.155.148 (talk) 19:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Logo/Flag Discussion

I see from the history that the NATO flag was removed, though there was no discussion. It was actually the first thing I noticed about the template, was the lack of a logo on either/both sides. While I have seen previous discussions on other templates about not including each individual flag, I believe an organizational logo should remain -- MrDolomite 20:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur. Will you put the flag back in? —Nightstallion (?) 05:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Adding the flag proved very easy. I have a copy of the source code as a user subpage (User:Mr Minchin/Drafts/NATO) someone can copy to here. Here's what it looks like:

North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO)

Belgium • Bulgaria • Canada • Czech Republic • Denmark • Estonia • France • Germany • Greece • Hungary • Iceland • Italy • Latvia • Lithuania • Luxembourg • Netherlands • Norway • Poland • Portugal • Romania • Slovakia • Slovenia • Spain • Turkey • United Kingdom • United States of America
Candidate countries: Albania • Croatia • Republic of Macedonia 

Hope that helps.--Mr Minchin 18:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

That's pretty cool, MrM, I'm still struggling with boxes/frames/tables/etc :) I was going to copy it over but then I figured 1) you should do it and get credit for your work and B) I flipped through some of the others on Category:International organization navigational boxes and decided I would float two other layouts to the group before changing anything.-- MrDolomite | Talk 19:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• User:Mr Minchin/Drafts/NATO- flag inline in the title bar; members list spans whole box
• {{AU_countries}} - flag level with title bar, but on right side; members list spans whole box
• {{OAS}} - flag to the right of both title bar and members list

{{EU countries and candidates}} uses flag to the right of both title bar and members list, but that doesn't seem to work with a landscape orientation flag. I think I would go for either the {{AU_countries}} solution (but that would make the hide button kind of pointless), or this one:

• User:GunnarRene/Template:NATO - flag at the right of the members, title and hide bar spanning the member list and flag.

North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO)

There. --GunnarRene 20:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• I hadn't thought about the show/hide, but that is definitely now on my list of things to have, especially for articles with multiple infoboxes. And the size of the logo is more along the lines of what I was originally thinking, without being overly large. -- MrDolomite | Talk 21:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

So currently there is no flag when everyone appeared to want one. Anyone understand why? --BozMo talk 22:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I think I figured it out. File:Flag_of_NATO.svg is a copyrighted image and per WP:NONFREE a copyrighted image (aka non-free) can only be used on very, very specific articles. See the image page for info on how this is documented. I remember reading somewhere, but cannot find the link just now, that non-free images cannot be used in templates. For instance, the logo of a professional sports team is copyrighted and cannot be on a template listing the team's roster. I don't quite understand how a flag can be copyrighted, but maybe it's a European law thing. — MrDolomite • Talk 15:20, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Template:NATO

You realize that there is a 2nd template doing the exact same thing, eh?
Happy Dominion Day, Varlaam (talk) 03:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Propose change from armed forces pages to state pages

The links for member states should direct to those states, rather than to their armed forces, as NATO does many events and actions not directly associated with the armed forces of states. A separate template should be made for armed forces. Garuda28 (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 22 March 2019

I would like to add Joint Force Command Norfolk to the Template under ACO/SHAPE. BlueD954 (talk) 05:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC) BlueD954 (talk) 05:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific

2changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- /Alex/₂₁ 07:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Is it not clear? You arent helping simply because you just want to follow up the rules. Read up please.BlueD954 (talk) 14:27, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 28 March 2019

Add to Structure under Supreme Headquarters Allied Power Europe: STRIKFORNATO to redirect to: Naval Striking and Support Forces NATO and JFCNF to redirect to: Joint Force Command Norfolk Marcd30319 (talk) 23:07, 28 March 2019 (UTC) Marcd30319 (talk) 23:07, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done -- /Alex/₂₁ 12:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 28 August 2019

I would like to edit the template because some of the links are incorrect. TheHistoryBuff101 (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done "this template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, so that an editor unfamiliar with the subject matter could complete the requested edit immediately." Please put the changes you want below, then reactivate the edit request. — xaosflux ^Talk 14:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Unprotect

There's no reason why this template should have this level of protection. Please unprotect it, I'd like to make some changes. Ssolbergj (talk) 15:03, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Unprotect it please. BlueD954 (talk) 05:39, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Could someone respond? -Ssolbergj (talk) 11:20, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 27 March 2020

Between Netherlands and Norway, please add: *North Macedonia noclador (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Cabayi (talk) 17:15, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 May 2020

Make History link to History of NATO. Andysmith248 (talk) 18:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done Goldsztajn (talk) 19:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 29 July 2020

Make History link to Withdrawal from NATO. 159753 (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:26, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Please add Joint Support and Enabling Command

Information to be added or removed: Please add Joint Support and Enabling Command under Structure Explanation of issue: Joint Support and Enabling Command is part of NATO's military command. References supporting change: Please see https://shape.nato.int/ bottom page - Command structure and https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2020/01/13/creating-a-secure-and-functional-rear-area-natos-new-jsec-headquarters/index.html

BlueD954 (talk) 07:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

* Pppery * It should be under Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, after JFC-NF, because it is part of SHAPE/SACER's command. Please shift, thanks. BlueD954 (talk) 06:40, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)