Template talk:The Maple Leaf Award

This template is written in Canadian English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, centre, travelled, realize, analyze) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Should you maybe include a guideline for what deserves each level of the award? For example, red could be for a really good idea, silver for completion of a big project, and gold for a year of consistent contributions. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 01:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New images

Is it just me that finds the new images (File:CanadaRedBarnstar.png ) ugly? --Qyd (talk) 00:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC) PS: old image: File:Red wiki-maple leaf.png . --Qyd (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the utter lack of objection when I introduced them? Yes. And again, you don't WP:OWN this template. Your edit summary here indicates that you seem to feel otherwise. → ROUX ₪ 01:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I do feel entitled to an opinion. Which I stated above. Ugly. Again, I object to the change of images. Anyone else care to weight in? --Qyd (talk) 13:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I never said you weren't entitled to an opinion. I said that you don't WP:OWN the template, as opposed to what you stated here. → ROUX ₪ 13:45, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disagreeing with someone's edit is not automatically a case of WP:OWN, and there is nothing in Qyd's edit summary to suggest he thinks he owns this template.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:06, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"It was intended to be" is a pretty clear indication that Qyd thinks he gets to dictate what it looks like. → ROUX ₪ 18:12, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oy vey - that's your ground for complaint? People need to spend more time reading WP:AGF. People are way too quick to make accusations of misconduct.--Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"these are suppposed [sic] to be" was the actual quote, but I have to agree with Roux here. I personally don't really like either of the two stars. The current one is a bit bland, while the one Qyd wanted is a bit too glossy and the star part is harder to distinguish. I envision a design closer to the previously proposed update (like File:Sport Barnstar Hires.png), that has a less-flat-looking maple leaf in the center and none of the white fade-in stuff. —fetch ·comms 02:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New ribbons, and updating

For a while now the 10k challenge has been giving out bronze awards which are not included here. Also, I can't seem to find ribbon versions of these awards. I've put together 4 ribbons. Feel free to contribute. Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 01:04, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed barnstar updates
#	Rank name	Small ribbon image
1	Red
2	Bronze
3	Silver
4	Gold

@Aknell4: When we started doing awards for CAN10K, User:Jon Kolbert kindly did the vector / Barnstar 2.0 versions of the Canadian Barnstars (see {{Can10k award}} for side-by-side comparison). At that time we added the bronze because we felt there was too much of a gap between the recommended thresholds for the red maple lead (a useful series of edits) and the silver maple leaf (a featured article).

Probably the best overhaul, if there is consensus, would be to phase-out the older barnstars here and replace them with the 2.0 versions, adding the bronze. (The legacy versions could be kept as options.)

I don't know much about ribbons, but it looks like some Canada ones are already listed with the Maple Leaf Award at Wikipedia:Ribbons. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:18, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Reidgreg: I saw the new barnstars for CAN10k. As for the ribbons on Wikipedia:Ribbons, those are low-res png versions, hence why I remade them in vector form.

I would advocate for merging the Maple Leaf Award with the CAN10k award, while adding bronze as well. However there hasn’t been much discussion about it here. I would like to see what happens. — Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 15:32, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that's why the new ribbons display well at low resolution. I want to keep Can10k_award to streamline the repetitive tasks for that contest (since it's used exclusively for the contest, I can significantly customize it for each year without worrying about inconveniencing other editors). – Reidgreg (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. I would say that it would be better if the Maple Leaf award had bronze and used the new barnstars that are used in {{Can10k award}}, just so that it's more aesthetically pleasing and so that there's a clear link between the Can10k award and this award. — Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 21:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While we're at it, should we consider the names? It's currently called the Maple Leaf Award but it gives out Canadian Barnstars. Also, award usually refers to honours other than barnstars, such as the Four Award, Million Award, Service Awards, Editor of the Week, etc. (see Wikipedia:Awards) The legacy graphics varied a bit from the standard but the 2.0 versions are clearly barnstars. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I kind of like the Maple Leaf Award name. It gives it a unique character. Although I do agree with you on the connotation of award. Maybe something like "The Maple Leaf Award of National Merit" like how other national WikiProjects name their awards, although it does seem a bit unwieldy. Also, I just noticed that there are actually 3 WikiProject Canada awards: {{The Maple Leaf Award}}, {{Can10k award}}, and {{The Canada Barnstar of National Merit}}, Maybe we could consolidate this a bit, so that there are only 2. What do you think? — Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 15:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I like Maple Leaf as well (maybe that's the Canadian quiet patriotism). I think in this case it might be simpler to keep separate templates than to have a single template with extra parameters. (With the exception of contests like WPCAN10K, barnstars are usually given out singly and spontaneously, and should be straightforward.) We could certainly See also them. Is there anything else we haven't addressed? – Reidgreg (talk) 13:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone could recreate all of the ribbons for the Maple Leaf Award so that they're all SVGs instead of low-res pngs like they are now. I don't know how to do that myself; I only recreated the simplest of the ribbons, but maybe that's something to think about down the road. Other than that, I don't see anything else to be addressed. I don't think I'm at liberty to begin implementing the changes we have proposed yet. Maybe a larger discussion would be useful? — Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 15:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Reidgreg: I've outlined some of the things that I think could be changed. Given that nothing has changed here for a little over 2 weeks, where do you think we could go from here? — Aknell4 (talk · contribs) 20:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]