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Tag fixing[edit]

Thanks, but I don't think it's necessary to do extensive fixing for now. The devs are on it, TidyHTML will be restored. Radiant_>|< 00:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes I know, but I had problem reading 1px lines :) --AzaToth 00:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism by 212.85.15.75[edit]

Hi AzaToth, I just got your message -- it looks as though vandalism from this IP has stopped at the moment, so I'm hesitant to institute a retroactive block on what appears to be a shared school IP. I left a warning message on their user page, so if they continue to act up, I or another administrator will block them again; if you run into a spate of rapid vandalism like this again and need assistance, posting a note to WP:AIV or WP:VIP will draw the attention of currently active administrators on Wikipedia, who can institute a more timely block. Thanks, — MC MasterChef :: Leave a tip — 11:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

P.S. - Welcome to Wikipedia! If there's anything else I can help you with, please let me know.

OK smarty-pants…[edit]

Tell us how all those rather beautiful If Templates work, then ;-). Massive kudos BTW. Phil | Talk 16:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

It's just trivial boolean logic :-) I can say that {{booleq}} works by retrive a parameter based of the value of another parameter ({{{{{{2}}}|}}}) --AzaToth talk 16:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Named parameters for template if?[edit]

Hi Carl. After our recent ping pong match at web reference (for which I do apologize again), I have an idea about that "1=" "2=" theme.

How silly (or ingenious, whatever) do you think would it be to modify {{if}}, which now is: 

{{show1|1={{{2|}}}|1{{{1|}}}={{{3|}}}}}

to change it to something like:

{{show1|1={{{2|{{{truethen|}}}}}}|1{{{1|{{{expr|}}}}}}={{{3|{{{falseelse|}}}}}}}

Instead of writing: 

{{if
  |1={{{Work|{{{work|}}}}}}
  |2=''{{{Work|{{{work}}}}}}''.
}}
 
{{if
  |1={{boolnand
    |1={{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}
    |2={{{Title|{{{title|}}}}}}
  }}
  |2=parameter '''url''' and '''title''' is required!
  |3=[{{{URL|{{{url}}}}}} {{{Title|{{{title}}}}}}]. 
}}

We could then write: 

{{if
  |expr={{{Work|{{{work|}}}}}}
  |then=''{{{Work|{{{work}}}}}}''.
}}
 
{{if
  |expr={{boolnand
    |1={{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}
    |2={{{Title|{{{title|}}}}}}
  }}
  |then=parameter '''url''' and '''title''' is required!
  |else=[{{{URL|{{{url}}}}}} {{{Title|{{{title}}}}}}]. 
}}

? Please be honest and brutal (if it's plain bullshit please say so – I can stand it). – Adrian | Talk 23:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC), (Edited to use then/else and fixed as proposed by Carl below. – Adrian | Talk 18:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC))

Yes, it would be possible, but you should have to change it to
{{show1|1={{{2|{{{then|}}}}}}|1{{{1|{{{expr|}}}}}}={{{3|{{{else|}}}}}}}
but, I should think a couple of milliard times before changing in template if :), test in a user template to see... --AzaToth talk 23:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC), (Edited to use then/else instead of true/false. – Adrian | Talk 18:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC))
Um. Great. Thanks for having a look at and fixing it. You are absolutely right. I should do lot of testing, certainly I'm not going to touch {{if}}. But before investing in tests, I thought it would be a good idea to start by asking some template specialists like you if there is any value in this idea. Maybe I'm going to ask SEWilco next what he thinks about this idea. – Adrian | Talk 07:29, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Just forgot something to ask. If this idea would have been implemented (just think for a moment it would be). Which variant of {{if}} would you use then when writing your template code? Would you use "expr=... true=... false=...." or stick with your well used to form "1=... 2=.... 3=...."? – Adrian | Talk 07:37, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
That depends, perhaps instead of true/false, to have then/else --AzaToth talk 13:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
That's a good idea! Let's take then/else. I've edited your and my posts accordingly. – Adrian | Talk 18:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I changed if now, hope no one disagrees :) --AzaToth talk 18:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Ups - so, I don't have to ask SEWilco any more...:-). I wouldn't have been that bold by myself. I would have done a posting on the talk page of {{if}} first. But anyway thanks! I will watch what happens on if. – Adrian | Talk 20:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

requested moves[edit]

When requesting moves, please create a place of discussion on the talk page of the article you wish to move, as instructed at WP:RM. People can't vote or discuss the move unless this is done.—jiy (talk) 07:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Done[edit]

but many appear to be left. thanks Martin 20:43, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Lil Help[edit]

Hello, would you please take a look at the table I created, there might be a better way to do it.

List of Adolf Hitler speeches#Speeches

Go ahead and change it, I will see the changes when you get around to it. Thanks WritersCramp 02:29, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Table Help[edit]

From the Adolf Hitler article, how can I get these:

Wikiquote has quotations related to AzaToth/Archive1.
Wikimedia Commons has media related to Adolf Hitler.

{{wikitree}}

Wikisource has original works by or about:
[[:s:|]]

to line up across the page, instead of down the page ?

I tried a variety of tables and boxes, but because they are not text, I can't get them to line up across.

Cordially WritersCramp 16:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Edit template[edit]

Hello - you edited the "Thermodynamics equations" template to change the edit tag to use the edit template. However there is now a space after edit as in (edit ). I wonder if you consider that an error in the template, or whether its just not possible to include parentheses around "edit". PAR 23:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

  • I know, it's an error in the template. I have reported to WP:RFP That I want {{ed}} to be unprotected (it was protected a long time a go, probably a temporary protection but still in effect) so I can change it. →AzaToth 23:17, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Changed it (the ed template) now →AzaToth 23:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Technology Barnstar award[edit]

The Technology Barnstar

Carl - I award you this Technology Barnstar for your beautiful template {{qif}}. – Adrian | Talk 23:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Template: ifnone[edit]

Your nomination of this template has now waited out its week on TfD. According to the discussion, it needs to be replaced by Template:Booleq. In case this requires expertise, I wonder if you could look into doing that, at which point the template is ready for deletion. Thanks. -Splashtalk 01:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Done. I touched the remaining page. -Splashtalk 20:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

reply[edit]

Sure, i'll let you know when it's done Martin 15:28, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Done! Martin 20:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC) Thank you, now it can go to the afterlife :) →AzaToth 20:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Adrian Buehlmann/web reference 2005-12-02-1[edit]

Hi Carl,

Your sharp brain is needed at User talk:Adrian Buehlmann/web reference 2005-12-02-1. What do you think? Is that ok? Did I miss something? Thanks for your help in advance! – Adrian | Talk 22:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

What's the problem? →AzaToth 22:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm trying to fix the problem reported by Fritz under Template talk:Web reference#date links. I think I solved it by presenting the solution under User:Adrian Buehlmann/web reference 2005-12-02-1. But I'm not shure. Maybe you can see something I made wrong. – Adrian | Talk 22:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Template: if equal[edit]

Could you do whatever you did to the other one to this one, please? Thanks. -Splashtalk 00:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

  • There are no template left that is using this template, it's only some link residue from a greek template. →AzaToth 00:23, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Ummm, Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:If equal has quite a long list of usages... -Splashtalk 04:15, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
      • Less than 100 entries, and 95% of them is non updated references to Template:Infobox Pref GR →AzaToth 04:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
        • Then they need to be updated before I can delete it! -Splashtalk 03:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
          • I ment, there are some pages that have not been touched yet, no one is using if equal any longer. →AzaToth 03:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
            • I see. Still, it is important that those pages be touched otherwise things will break as soon as I press delete. -Splashtalk 03:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
              • Ok, all touched now. →AzaToth 04:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

If defined call ... and related issues[edit]

I don't know if this will help you, but perhaps it will.

When {{If defined call2}} is defined as: 

{{if
  |test={{{1|}}}
  |then={{{{{2|}}}
    |{{{3|}}}
    |{{{4|}}}
  }}
}}

it breaks, but when it's: 

{{if
  |test={{{1|}}}
  |then={{{{{2|}}}|{{{3|}}}|{{{4|}}}
  }}
}}

it seems to work. Kirill Lokshin 02:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

  • I think it's because the other template calls returns | etc... I didn't know they interfer with the outer call. →AzaToth 03:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I thougt also that a template call is only expanded prematurely if it needs to be expanded →AzaToth 03:07, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I suspect it's the table markup. I'm not sure if the table | swallows the template | or vice versa, but combining the two seems to be causing this. Kirill Lokshin 03:09, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Infobox_Film[edit]

Hi, I liked the changes you made on it. I'm just curious if it's also possible to fix the image parameter (located in {{Infobox_Film/image}}), so that it checks the amount of parameters given (or something) and formats accordingly (ie. if it only consists of one parameter, use that as the image file like the template currently does, and if there are more parameters, use those to format the image like the template previously did).

Since the changes prior to yours broke the formatting on the image in many cases, adding extraneuous parameters into the infobox itself (for example [[Image: and |200px]] in the Memories of Murder infobox), this would clean up the rest of the infoboxes (almost 2000) that currently use the template. And if there would've been a better place to ask this question, sorry. - Bobet 13:32, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

  • I cold look into it, but I please explain what you mean by so that it checks the amount of parameters given (or something) and formats accordingly →AzaToth 13:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • As it was previously, the infobox had to be given the full link to the image plus the formatting info, and it was put it into the box accordingly (ie. [[Image:imagefilename.jpg|200px|this is a movie poster]]). Now, it only needs to be given the name of the image file (with the new version of the template, the input is assumed to be a string, which is made into an image link), which breaks the formatting on all of the infoboxes created before the change. Another way to fix it (I don't really have any idea how these things work here and what's possible) would be to check if the parameter points to a wikipedia image file by itself or is just a string. - Bobet 13:54, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • That is sadly impossible, you can only check if two strings equals and a bunch of boolean operations. →AzaToth 13:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Alright, thanks. - Bobet 14:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The only substring check we can do is to check if a string contains the character "=" (via a lousy hack like everything else :)) →AzaToth 14:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • If only it could check for a "[" too, this could probably be fixed easily :( - Bobet 14:14, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  • We can only check for characters that are not allowed as parameter names, "[" is allowed →AzaToth 14:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Bambi[edit]

Good work. If I only knew that much about esotiric templates. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 20:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

  • The problem can occur if you call a template using autonumbered indexes, and the argument value of the parameter includes a "=", then the parameter name is the string before that char →AzaToth 20:28, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Aha. When I removed the <span style="white-space:no-wrap;"> it worked. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 22:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
yes, but I changed how the infobox refered to parameters, and used named parameters only, so it is not probably to occur again →AzaToth 22:04, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_Film[edit]

Did you notice that you fixed the old problem of not being able to use some templates in the template? That's very nice! Also, I was reading your explaination on "If defined call1" -- can you tell me if this is the right idea: for {{{ {{{1 {{{1|}}} | 2}}} |void}}}, when {{{1}}} is empty, we get {{{ {{{1| 2}}} |void}}} and then {{{|void}}} and then "void"? And when {{{1}}} is defined we get {{{ {{{1 something | 2}}} |void}}} and then {{{2|void}}} and then the value of 2? Thanks for the help. Shawnc 16:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes something like that. The base idea is to concatenate parameters and parameter values, and induce a virtual restriction of parameter names. Also, I made a replacement for if defined calln, see Template:If defined →AzaToth 16:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Mozilla Firefox.png[edit]

It's not that it's a free image it's that even if they state that it can be released A) they don't specify a license which is specifically an issue, and B) even if they did it would only be for non-commercial use which while not an issue directly at the moment is a right needed by the foundation in case they ever make a CD version of Wikipedia. JtkieferT | C | @ ---- 18:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • As I have understand, the image at codebot is not made by mozilla foundation, but is a user made image simlar to the official logo by the foundation. I took that source and removed most of the fox to drastically reduce the similarities to the official logo. As the page (codebot) specifiy that no licenses are applied, I interpret it as the authours releases the code into the public domain, butI'm no expert in laws etc. →AzaToth 18:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_Film[edit]

Carl, there really shouldn't be any HTML in Template:Infobox_Film. MediaWiki provides wiki-table code, and that should be used. Moreover, please do not perform the same conversion at Template:Infobox Company. While User:Shawnc declares you a template wizard, your recent updates to the Infobox_Film template are extremely messy and difficult to read. Adraeus 00:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

infobox 2 and 3[edit]

are you gonna update the info box so it can be used for pages using (2) and (3)?

They have fields such as cinematography, music and such... Steve-O 01:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Info movie box[edit]

so, could you add the fields that are in Info Movie box (2) and (3)? Then we could at least standardize all the boxes with the one you modified a few days ago... (Know what I mean, add editor, cinematographer...) I guess if the field is left blank, then that field wouldn't show up? Know what I mean?? Steve-O 22:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Here's an example of Infomovie box (3), which is just like (2) without the "editor" field: 

{{Infobox_Film (3) |
  name     = Mildred Pierce |
  image          = [[Image:Mildred Pierce poster.jpeg|230px|Mildred Pierce]] |
  imdb_id       = 0037913 |
  director       = [[Michael Curtiz]] |
  writer         = [[James M. Cain]] (novel)<br>Ranald MacDougall<br>[[William Faulkner]] (uncredited)<br>Catherine Turney (uncredited)|
  starring       = [[Joan Crawford]],<br>[[Jack Carson]],<br>[[Zachary Scott]]<br>[[Eve Arden]]<br>[[Ann Blyth]]<br>[[Bruce Bennett]]<br>[[Lee Patrick]] |
  producer         = [[Jerry Wald]] |
  music         = [[Max Steiner]] |
cinematography = [[Ernest Haller]] |
  distributor    = [[Warner Bros.]]  |
  released   = [[September 24]], [[1945 in film|1945]] (U.S. release)|
  runtime        = 111 min. |
language = [[English language|English]] |
}}

I understand, I'll look into it →AzaToth 01:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi again, sorry to keep bothering you about the same template. I don't think the 'screenplay', 'original story by' and 'new version by' fields are needed in the infobox at all and can be potentially confusing to editors. I think the same content can be addressed (and has been, in all but one case) in the 'writing' section adequately by having for example 'Writing by: name (original story)'. In the case of screenplay, it's pretty much just another word for the 'writing' section. There was only one page that used the version of the infobox with those fields, and it probably should've just put all of those fields in the writing section. I'll go fix it in the way I suggested here (the page is Alice (2006 movie) if that helps). - Bobet 13:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed the fields (from the infobox, the subpages still exist) for reasons I stated above. Thanks for all your hard work on this and other templates. - Bobet 14:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry again, I promise I'll stop bothering you some time. Do you think it's possible to add an 'caption' field to the template, that when called adds the caption to the images? I don't know if it's really straightforward, since you'd have to call different instances of 'image' depending on if the caption field exists or not eg. [[Image:{{{image}}}|200px|]] or [[Image:{{{image}}}|200px|{{{caption}}}]]. It's sort of related to the image type thing you suggested a while back so I figured I'd ask you (again). - Bobet 19:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Fixed, also simplified to generic row calls →AzaToth 19:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • That's not (exactly) what i had in mind (but if it's the best possible way to do it currently, I'd take it, thanks). Is it possible to do a "if defined (caption), call imagefunction with image and caption as parameters, if not defined (caption), call imagefunction with just the image as a parameter" or similar. That way the caption could be included inside the image so that it appears when you hover the mouse over the image, or when the image isn't loaded for some reason, in the way it was around a week ago :) I don't know if the "if not defined" thing exists currently, so this might not be possible though. Sorry about my explaining skills too. - Bobet 20:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Aha, ok, I thought you wanted a caption as below, and I then thought you didn't want a extra box. Should I remove the cpation and have it as a hower caption instead, or both? →AzaToth 20:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Just the hover caption, thanks, if possible. I don't know what you mean by the extra box though? - Bobet 20:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Ok, as far as I'm concerned, it's perfect now. Great job on it. - Bobet 20:29, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Dashes[edit]

I replied on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Dashes — Omegatron 23:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Template speedies[edit]

I think I'd feel like my back was better covered with a simple procedural nomination on TfD. They can be done in a bulk nom without any risk, I'd think, so long as you make clear that they have all been superseded and are unused. I don't think the nom should have any problems. -Splashtalk 21:23, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok →AzaToth 21:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Avoid using meta-templates[edit]

If you haven't read this, please do. All of those If and Boolean templates are considered harmful to the performance of Wikipedia. Do not expand their use, and instead look for ways to eliminate them. The problem with templates like Template:Infobox_Film is that there has been no effort to center in what fields should exist across all articles. There are too many one-offs,a nd your system is no better in that respect than the old one that involved sub-templates. -- Netoholic @ 23:25, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

  • There is no usage of boolean templates in Template:Infobox_Film →AzaToth 23:29, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
    • It uses "If templates" extensively. -- Netoholic @ 04:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Also, be sure to read the talk page for all the glorious controversy and bias. I bet these templates will be really useful and beneficial.
    I'm sure these functions would be much better if they were implemented directly in the software, but good luck with that... — Omegatron 01:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
    • The boolean templates where mostly created to show people that it's possible to define logic in wiki, I think they are only used in {{language}} at the moment. I made {{qif}} and {{if defined}}, which should be better for the server than {{if}} and the previous {{if defined call}} because they have no external calls. {{booleq}} and {{switch}} didn't exists before so it can't be judged. →AzaToth 02:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
      • All very, um, "clever", but not practical, are a burden on the servers, almost impossible for most editors to understand, and unnecessary. The ArbCom and system engineers all agree that meta-templates (templates within templates) are bad and should be avoided. -- Netoholic @ 04:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
        • As far as I can tell, {{book reference}} or {{web reference}} wouldn't have been possible without {{if}} or the newer faster, simpler, easy to understand, server friendlier, practical and quite well documented {{qif}}. Please note that book reference et al. is a good faith attempt supported by no-newbies like SEWilco and others to help streamline citations. If this scratches the edges of what's possible with wikimedia architecture, ok then. Instead of just say "don't do this", it would be better to have a look at how the problem can be attacked better. Please keep in mind that we really care about server load. We are not reckless folks here. Maybe we are wrong. Maybe that this may also be converted to new technology once upon a time. But if we do not try walking on new land, there won't be any progress on this matter. – Adrian | Talk 10:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
          • Note that the word is "avoid", not "prohibit". Though some may try to cast the guideline in a different light, there's nothing wrong with your experiments. — Omegatron 12:25, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
        • On a somewhat different note, WP:AUM specifically defines meta-templates as "those that are created and used to keep other templates in a standard format". {{Qif}} clearly has nothing to do with formatting—it's adding a feature to templates that we didn't have before (and that should really be in MediaWiki directly, but that's a different issue). Unlike meta-templates which are purely aesthetic, and can be done without at the cost of editor time, the new logical templates are required to do the things we're doing with them; the benefits of using them are therefore rather greater, and I think it is reasonable to ask, in the absence of specific complaints regarding them from the developers, whether these benefits don't outweigh the costs. —Kirill Lokshin 13:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
          • This isn't about "formatting" alone - but anytime excess server processor power is needed to resolve these complex if/boolean statements. Your statement that the logical template are "required" is all based on the false premise that we must use templates to insert book/web references. There is absolutely no reason to use templates for citations... we gain no benefit from it. -- Netoholic @ 14:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
            • Actually, I wasn't referring to the book/web references, but rather to the hiding of unused rows in infobox templates (which seems to have spread to most of the commonly-used ones at this point). It's a very obvious feature to have, and I don't know of any way to implement it without these logical templates. On the other hand, if there is another way to implement it, that would take out ~90% of the logical template use. —Kirill Lokshin 14:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
              • There are other methods for hiding row in Infoboxs. One method is to first of all agree which data fields are required for a range of topics. Unfortunately, everyone's pet page is an "exception" which leads to things like having six freaking University templates. -- Netoholic @ 15:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
                • While I agree in principle that having standard fields is a solution, it's not a particularly good one for cases like {{Warbox}}, where field contents (e.g. casualty numbers) may be missing because of a fundamental lack of historical information. Having an infobox full of question marks is rather unprofessional. If there are other methods you're aware of, I'd be very interested in hearing them, of course. —Kirill Lokshin 15:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
            • Re: "but anytime excess server processor power is needed to resolve these complex if/boolean statements" do you have any measurements? "Premature optimization is the source root of all evil" (Tony Hoare and Donald Knuth cited in Optimization) is one of my favorites. Of course, if you belive that book/web references templates are useless, any CPU cycle is in excess. But I would like to point out that it can be quite hard to make a long list of book references look right. Some would even find this is unmaintainable. This might even be "impossible for most editors" to use your own words (out of context, I admit). But of course, if you have any substantiated evidence that wikipedia is hurted seriously by using these templates, I'm going to stop using them immediately. – Adrian | Talk 14:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
              • Please read the statements of database developer User:Jamesday on WP:AUM. -- Netoholic @ 15:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
              • Note that Netoholic is currently under a ban because of his behavior regarding meta-templates, and his interpretation of the problem should be taken with a grain of salt. — Omegatron 14:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
                • See also: Poisoning the well. -- Netoholic @ 15:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
                • This doesn't change a lot for me. I assume good faith of Netoholic and will listen to him seriously. Connecting this discussion with developers is a very good thing. I'm looking forward to read from them. – Adrian | Talk 15:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Infobox_Film[edit]

Please revert this change. Anyone viewing this page using a pagereader or text-only browser will see the name of the movie duplicated, rather than the intended caption text.

Also please always provide an edit summaries describing your changes. -- Netoholic @ 19:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

re: Template talk:Foreach[edit]

'Lo mate, replied here. Blackcap (talk) 19:54, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Replied here again. Blackcap (talk) 20:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Unabbr'd version of UU does not work with template tags[edit]

If you see it otherwise, than keep it.

Sorry about continously reverting it.

  • What do you mean it doesn't work? what do you mean with "template tags" →AzaToth 15:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Template Booleq[edit]

Hi Carl

I'm just puzzling (dumb lazy me) about "does not work for parameter 2 equal to 2!" in Template talk:Booleq. Have you seen this? – Adrian | Talk 16:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, I forgot that special exception at the first beginning, if var 2 is 2, the value of variable 2 will be returned →AzaToth 16:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedia maintenance -> Category:Wikipedia maintenance templates[edit]

Why did you made this change for Template:Film, it's not a maintanace template, but a template in need of maintanace (it's also protected at the moment becaus of maintanace problems)? →AzaToth 20:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't notice that. That's not really what this category is for, and it was mixed in with a bunch of templates that are for maintenance use. I've tagged Template:Film for cleanup instead. -- Beland 20:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

template:main[edit]

Hi-I just left a note on the talk page of tamplate main, that the template needs a boundry check, if there are > 5 variables it should display a default warning message that the template only supports up to five variables. --Stbalbach 17:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Could add this: 

{{{1{{{6|}}}|Maximum of 5 parameters is supported}}}

→AzaToth 17:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

How about "Five parameter limit exceeded", is more definitive, there is a limit, since supported means "lack of support" which might upset some people. Im not sure where to add it in the template without experimenting. We can change the wording later if theres a complaint, but it looks fine. --Stbalbach 17:44, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Qif=if on meta[edit]

Thanks for the pointer. Hiding talk 21:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

You've altered your Links sub-page…[edit]

You've altered User:AzaToth/Links and it seems to be causing havoc with template talk:See also. I'd step in and fix it, but I'm not certain what it was exactly you were intending to do. I thought it would be better to drop you a note and hope you found it in time. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 09:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, was a so long time ago I forgot I had used it somewhere else :) →AzaToth 09:14, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:AUM[edit]

By continuing to incorporate meta-templating in items like Template:See and others, you are directly failing to abide by the request from our developers to not use templates in that particular way. Please stop, and indeed reverse, your efforts. -- Netoholic @ 14:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

"That's it son, you do 'im...BOLLOCKS!" --Jimmy Price, Layer Cake[edit]

Seems the developers really don't like you. But, a user with such a pretty page can't be ALL bad. Therefore, I would award you the "Wikipedians that don't suck" Barnstar, but there isn't one. O_o Ah, well. I'll suggest it, and say that your utter defense of a subject that's somewhat dodgy is indeed a noble pursuit. Cernen 11:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Protection[edit]

Umm.. oops! Actually, when I clicked protect, the previous vandalism had just been reverted, so the page must have been vandalised in the time it took me to click protect. :-) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 17:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

AzaBot[edit]

Hi Carl, just in case you haven't seen (which is unlikely :-), please see this on Wikipedia talk:Bots#AzaBot. Greets, – Adrian | Talk 22:05, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Conditionals[edit]

I strongly suggest you get into #mediawiki right now, they're discussing this - David Gerard 22:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
  1. mediawiki where? →AzaToth 00:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

en-0[edit]

I thought that would probably happen :-) Dmharvey 01:22, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

hehe, you asked for it :) →AzaToth 01:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Medcab1[edit]

Dear Azatoth: Thanks a lot for fixing the hacking on the template; you're quite right, I should have used includeonly instead, I'm not quite sure why I didn't. Silly me. *slaps forehead* :-D Best regards, --NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 16:09, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps no one else byt me knows that using includeonly in that way works :) →AzaToth 16:10, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Links page[edit]

Sorry about that…I was trying to do a null edit to clear up "what links here" for some of the templates you use on there, and that line was taken out automatically. —Phil | Talk 15:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Then that's a bug I suppose? →AzaToth 15:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I suppose. If you go to here, you are editing the old version, which should have the blank line at the top but doesn't. I suppose you added it in manually originally. Have you experimented with just the comment: i.e. do you actually need the blank line, or just anything before that section header? HTH HAND Phil | Talk 17:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

if on TfD[edit]

Hi Carl. See TfD. Merry Yule!

Template main help[edit]

Need help with editing the template, its protected, not sure if you have permission to edit it or not. Need to move this section of the template: 

noinclude
{esoteric}
/noinclude

..into this section: 

noinclude
[eo:Ŝablono:Ĉefa]
[fr:Modèle:Détails]
[pl:Szablon:Main]
/noinclude

..so that it looks like: 

noinclude
{esoteric}
[eo:Ŝablono:Ĉefa]
[fr:Modèle:Détails]
[pl:Szablon:Main]
/noinclude

There only needs to be a single "noinclude" section, not two. --Stbalbach 16:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can not edit. →AzaToth 17:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

sprotected[edit]

Yes, I'm afraid it's only a template, but it can be used on talk pages in extreme instances, such as when users persistently blank the page or remove vandalism warnings; User talk:24.14.92.28 serves as a good example. In those cases, the Please discuss changes on the talk page doesn't (and can't) apply. Regards, Sango123 (talk) 20:50, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

The new template looks great! Why not propose it at Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy? Sango123 (talk) 20:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Tfd page[edit]

Hi Carl. WP:TFD seems to look somewhat broken. Wasn't that deletiontool box floating on the right? Puzzled (as usual :-). Adrian Buehlmann 17:38, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

on WP:TFD it's still there, on the temp page, I'd removed it because when I edited the header it was in the way of my limited brain capacity. →AzaToth 17:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Ups. Your right, now it's again on the right side. Strange. Ok, whatever it's ok now. Eh - limited brain capacity? you? :-) Adrian Buehlmann 18:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Newsgroups[edit]

Articles on particular newgroups are available on Wikipedia. See List of newsgroups. I saw you had unlinked newsgroups at GNU and wasn't sure if you had done it elsewhere. --132.198.104.164 19:55, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought newsgroups should be refered to as [1], also, the two news-groups on GNU wasn't present on the list →AzaToth 19:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I haven't seen anywhere that says you should use the URL for newsgroups.

Just because an article doesn't exist, doesn't mean there can't be a link to it. That's the point of things like Special:Wantedpages. --132.198.104.164

qif without qif[edit]

Please have a look at what MrWeeble did at {{Infobox TV channel}} (talk). There is hope for book reference... Adrian Buehlmann 22:15, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I have thought of using a dummy parameter before, but I thought that would be difficult for the average user to use, also that code is plain ugly :) →AzaToth 22:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
It's not just "plain ugly", it is "grossly vomit inducingly ugly" - but it does work ;-) – MrWeeble Talk Brit tv 22:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Question about Firefox User Boxes[edit]

I Was wondering whats happening with the Firefox logo for the boxes? I have a "this user uses FF on Wikipedia" box and the icon keeps changing you changed it last and I think the last changes before you were changed due to copyright images... Can you tell me what happened? Mike 16:56, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, there are some problems with copyleft and fair use atm →AzaToth 16:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Image:Firefox.png[edit]

I must say I do like your . I may even end up making Template:User firefox2 as an alternative to house it, since other popular userboxes have alternatives. Ian13ID:540053 10:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I even have a support box on my userpage! Ian13ID:540053 12:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I have made Template:User_firefox1 to house your version as an alternative. Ian13ID:540053 19:22, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

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