User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz/ChildrenOfDune
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Statement of the dispute
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Cause of concern
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- A pattern of mildly disruptive behaviour from User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz.
- Enforcing his interpretation of an essay on younger editors
- Over-zealous contributions to RfAs concerning younger editors
- Promoting a hierarchical atmosphere where some editors are "better" than others [4]
- Disdain for editors who do not share is personal opinion on sources.
- Disdain for editors who do not get involved in his personal area of interest.
- Changing the tone of edits long after the edit first posted, without using <ins> and <del> tags [5][6]
- General incivility [7]
- Comments from other users (I need to investigate these futher, they may not be true.)
- Using WP:COPYVIO to push his opinion. [8]
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- Over-zealous attack on editor (demanding indef block for trolling) [10]
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Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive714#Apparent personal attacks
- User talk:Worm That Turned#RfC Threat - discussed possibility of informal on-wiki discussion of issues, rather than full blown RfC.
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Response
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Response to concerns
[edit]I regard this as another waste of time. I have already responded to most of these complaints weeks ago at ANI, where I defended myself against a serious of similar charges by Demiurge1000 and his summoned administrator, TWW. In retrospect, I viewed the attacks as unwarranted, so that the charges should just have been ignored. My conclusion that I should have ignored the drama was seconded by User:Reaper Eternal .
RfAs
[edit]In years of editing, I have made exactly one 3RR violation, which I have stated was due to miscounting. A minor who had previously removed a statement that he had Aspberger's syndrome returned to Wikipedia editing after relatively little editing after a failed RfA, and added this information. I removed the Aspberger's information, as per the policy that minors especially should not disclose personal information.
In private e-mail, the user stated no objections to my action but stated that he wished to identify himself, having considered my concerns. The drama was due to other users, not to the minor being upset. I don't understand the fixation on this incident.
"General incivility", versus "Voltaire & self-deprecation"
[edit]- "General incivility [11]" (sic.). I stopped responding to a conversation going nowhere, because I did not want "to explain everything", which is "the secret of being a bore" according to Voltaire. WTT seems to have failed to recall or to have Googled this famous phrase.
Striking-through text: Another RfA
[edit]There are two complaints about my revising exactly one text (each time) without using strike-throughs.
- In the case where I responded to WTT, there had been no reply to my initial response and so no strike-through was obligatory.
- In the second case, I judged that my edits might reduce the stress on an editor who had identified himself as suffering from depression and schizophrenia, and that the benefit from changing the text to reduce his stress sufficed. Nobody reverted that edit, or complained on that page that this edit had been improper: Perhaps others shared my judgment that a reduction in drama might have been beneficial? (I had asked in a private email to WTT that he avoid mentioning the case of this user, and regret that defending myself necessitates mentioning this on Wiki.)
Requests for Administratorship (RfAs): "Overzealousness"?
[edit]I have been accused of being "over-zealous" at RfAs. I have raised concerns about candidates' lack of substantive quality editing (and sometimes about paraphrasing of copyrighted material in apparent violation of WP policy), and the record shows that my concerns were shared by other editors, some of whom acknowledged my contributions.
RfAs of minors (non-adults)
[edit]A related complaint alleges that I have been over-zealous about "younger [sic.] editors" at RfAs. I have repeatedly stated that minors should not become administrators because of (1) possible harm to minors, (2) legal liability of Wikipedia, and last & least (3) concerns about damage to Wikipedia. Many other editors have stated similar concerns. WP's discussion of the "perennial proposal" that administrators be adults states that WP editors are free to mention youth as a motivation for opposing minor candidates:
Political articles
[edit]Concerns about possible copyright violation or close paraphrasing: Duplicitous POV pushing?
[edit]- At least 2 editors accused me of using copyright violation tags duplicitously to advance some political agenda. WTT irresponsibly repeats this baseless charge, knowing that I have complained about his failure to stop such violations of AGF, NPA, when they had occurred before. I complained that WTT and the other editors failed even to learn enough to evaluate the editing dispute, but rather simply repeated this personal attack in ignorance. I have also noted that in every case where I diagnosed a possible copyright-violation problem, either I or other editors had to rewrite the paragraphs extensively: In many cases, the history of the article had to be deleted because of a copyright violation concern. In no case, has any such tagging resulted in an approval of the status quo. In this context, he can exhibit high disdain for sense of injured merit as much as he wants....
- WTT cites my flagging concerns about a possible copyright violation for the Socialist Party of America, without quoting my listing of close paraphrasing of paragraphs from the "history" published by the Socialist Party USA:
Parallel passages raising concerns about possible copyright violations, etc.
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"Disdain" (sic.)
[edit]- "Disdain for editors who do not get involved in his personal area [sic.] of interest" [sic.] This is just badly phrased and laughable.
On the contrary, I have scorned and I do scorn editors who have
- "shot off their mouths", accusing me of a political agenda,
- when they had shown no understanding of the content dispute and
- when they had failed to try to learn anything (for example by comparing the old version with contemporary reporting by the New York Times).
Such scorn is well deserved especially by Demiurge1000, who has accused me of "bullying" and PoV pushing.
WTT just repeats charges without investigating them, and he wants ... admiration?
Mistakes or silliness
[edit]Some of these other complaints are just silly.
Blocking for trolling
[edit]- I never asked that the editor be blocked for trolling. (The blocking offense was a religious personal-attack on an unpopular editor.)
"Better" than others
[edit]Some editors are better than others. For each editor, some edits are better than others.
Good edits contribute to the project of writing a high-quality encyclopedia for the public. Good edits come habitually from good editors.
From good editors, advice and criticism are welcome.
Bad editors seem to confuse WP with a role-playing game, a blog, or a graffiti canvass.
Overview
[edit]In short, this budding RfC/U seems to have been provoked by two clusters of issues.
- First, there is a clique of editors devoted to RfAs and championing minors becoming administrators. This clique has been upset by my comments in RfAs, particularly about candidates who are minors or who do not have a record of contributions to traditional encyclopedia content. In particular, Demiurge1000 has been harassing me for months, interjecting himself whenever a hint of disagreement occurs between myself and other editors, at best distracting discussions but often inflaming drama. Demiurge1000 has refused to accept a no-interaction ban, which has been suggested independently by myself and (in this edit) by User:Fetchcomms.
- There have been content disputes in American political history (where I have been doing clean up over the last few months). About these articles, RfA enthusiasts have each shot off his mouth without knowing or learning a thing, grossly violating AGF and NPA, fatuously indifferent to whether his charges be warranted or lies, shamed neither in his own or in his neighbors' eyes. For hounding me and wasting time, especially my valuable time, they deserve censure from the community.
Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:45, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
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Proposed solutions
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[edit]1) a. User:Demiurge1000 and User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz agree to a voluntary interaction ban for one year.
b. User:WormThatTurned agrees to a voluntary interaction ban on any discussion that has already involved both User:Demiurge1000 and User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz (for one year).
c. Users Demiurge1000 and WormThatTurned acknowledge that WP's statement of perennial issues (Majority status) states that WP editors may mention age (minor status) as a personal reason for opposing RfAs.
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