User:Messhermit/Archive/2006/July

Requests for arbitration

This is to notify you that I have filed a complaint against you on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. -- Viajero 19:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)>

Moved to: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Messhermit. You may respond here: [Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Messhermit#Response] -- Viajero 23:01, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that you strike through rather than delete remarks when retracting them. It makes it a lot clearer what happened in what sequence. But thank you for retracting the baseless accusation. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:28, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

If you strike through your accusations against me, I will strike through my responses. However, in both cases the record of the exchange should remain visible. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:42, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Retraction does not mean amnesia. Your retraction is accepted, but that doesn't mean that I am going to pretend you never made the remarks. Sorry, but aspersions cast are not that easily taken back.

Again, understand, a Request for Comment is exactly that: it requests comment. I don't believe I've said anything inappropriate, and I see no reason to delete what I said. The strikethroughs indicate that most of my comments no longer apply. Anytone familiar with this process will understand that. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:28, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

The leftists

Hello Messershmit. You have to get accustomed to people LIKE Viajero & Ruy Lopez. In the name of NPOV, they tend to vilify any conservative political figure and show in a good light any left wing dictator like Fidel Castro. But what is most depressing is how they like to "improve the image" of terrorists like Abimael Guzman and his cronies of Shining Path, by naming them rebels or insurgents, when most Peruvians know that these terrorists stopped being rebels and became terrorists when they started killing and bombing innocent civilians indiscriminately. Whenever you can, please take a look at the articles about Shining Path, Abimael Guzman, MRTA, Lori Berenson and any other articles of the like. You will find their edits even more "interesting" than the ones on Fujimori.--AAAAA 03:40, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

correction

This edit [1] by an anon editor was correcting one of your (many) errors in English. Viajero 19:58, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

MRTA

I most say you they are completely terrorist. They've made a very, very deep damage in our history. They didn't care about life or ethic. The just tried compulsively to get into the power. They didn't ever have any kind of apoyo (sorry about my English) for the people in Perú. That's what I thank. Huhsunqu 02:10, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Viajero

Yes, you are right, viajero is VERY INTOLERANT. Whatever doesn't please him, he immediately reverts, and nothing other than what he thinks is OK. But I guess we are all humans and nobody is perfect. Regarding HappyApple, what do you suggest I do? What exactly are you asking me to do? By the way, what is a "Pipe Link"? Are you talking about a Redirect?--AAAAA 15:48, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fujimori

Actually, I've just made an attempt at rewording the section dealing with AF's visit to the ambassador's residence, to show that the purpose wasn't just to laud it over the dead MRTA men. While I agree with User:Viajero that some reference should be made to the incident -- it was a central moment in AF's second term, after which his popularity ratings skyrocketed -- I don't think it's fair to claim that what I'm doing there is simply reinstating his versions. Others on the talk page, JMabel and Mel Elitis, support including some mention of the incident, too. –Hajor 17:52, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Alberto Fujimori

I'm afraid that you're doing two things:

1. You're exaggerating what's going on in this article, calling a few minor edits in a long article 'vandalism' (which, in any case, is inaccurate — see Wikipedia:Vandalism).
2. Because you have a strong view yourself, you're seeing neutral edits as representing the opposite view.

I saw this article listed on RfC, and had a look to see if I could help. There was nothing much that I could do with regard to content, but I became involved through copy-editing for English and style. Your rather hysterical responses to anyone who changes the article in a way that you don't like, however, have drawn me in to the debate over content; I have no view of the matter myself, knowing only what I've read in English newspapers (which isn't much). However, I can tell whether a term is neutral or not (as, for example, 'militant' or 'terrorist'). If you calm down, and assume good faith, instead of making false and baseless accusations against others (such as that anyone who disagrees with you is part of some conspiracy made up of friends of each other), we might get further with the article. I've never encountered anyone editing this article before, so far as I recall, and am certainly not friends of theirs. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:01, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm surprised, given my comment above, that you're puzzled by my RfC vote. You're treating the article as if it belonged to you, with anyone who edits it in a way with which you disagree subjected to claims of political prejudice and vandalism. You need to calm down, and start to deal with other editors more politely, giving them the respect that you'd want them to give you (unless they behave badly — and even then, you should keep your cool as far as you can. I know from my own experience that that's not always easy, of course.). You also need to think in terms of producing a Wikipedia article that's as good and as neutral as it can be, not of producing one that fits your own political opinions. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:37, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps, then, we can start again. I hope that you can take my word that I intend only to act as an honest broker in this. I have no allegiances in Peruvian politics (nor in any party politics), and I hope that I can help to make sure that the article stays as neutral (and as well written and valuable) as possible. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:54, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tables & templates

I've fiddled with the table — I think that it looks a little better now, but you can adjust the 'margin-left' tage if you want more space. The template can be found here: Template:Politics of Peru; it can be edited like any other page. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 18:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Didi it work? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:54, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

National University of San Marcos

Thank you for the note on my talk page. It seemed to me that the version I reverted to retained most of the substance of the article, but apparently more than one person (you and HappyApple, at least) feel otherwise. I will try to make some time later to edit HappyApple's version for grammar only. After I do, I'll drop you a note asking you to review my edit for accuracy, to make sure I didn't accidentally change the meaning of anything. Happy editing! SWAdair | Talk 03:46, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Jmabel has been working on the grammar some, and I helped with the "Campus" section. There was only one item I had to remove because I didn't understand the sentence. Where the original had "moved to the Plaza of Estanque later called of Inquisition, in which nowadays it is located the Congress of Peru building" that became "moved to the Plaza of Estanque, where today the Congress of Peru building is located.". I didn't understand what was meant by "later called of Inquisition." If you know what that was meant to say, please edit it in appropriately. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 07:17, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I took a shot at it, and I understood the phrase SWAdair didn't get, and corrected it. One of those things where someone translated a construct too literally from Spanish. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:40, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Messhermit. It is possible that you were put off by my comments on the Fujimori page; I'll try to keep away from political disputes. In any case - it seems to me that it will be better to work from a version written in correct English, free of redundant or incomprehensible information (see SWAdair's comment). If you feel important material has been left out, why don't you add it? Hasdrubal 17:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Messhermit -

why, I don't have any personal connection with the Belaundes; you must be mistaking me for somebody else.

On the case of San Marcos: I think some of the information that was there before was not that very crucial, and did not belong in a relatively short article; once the page grows, we can put some of it back again, if you so wish. Also - we are not talking about "original research", but rather about information you can easily find from the main San Marcos webpage at www.unmsm.pe. Hasdrubal 18:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Messhermit -

I've edited the Belaunde page so as to make clear that he was democratically elected; Viajero now agrees that he was mistaken in believing that he had been appointed by the military.

As to the claims of fraud in 1962, I am not convinced; see my comments in the Belaunde talk page. There was certainly a lot of, well, pork, to use a US expression; fraud is another matter. Hasdrubal 19:17, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

PS. See Jmabel's message on my "discussion" webpage, though it's a bit harsh. Hasdrubal 18:48, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Messhermit - the "el fue mi tio" part was not written by me; let me introduce a newline. Hasdrubal

Hi - I agree with you; let us put past perceived offenses behind us. Hasdrubal 21:22, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Please vote on the San Marcos/Saint Mark issue on Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Voting. Thank you. --Tuomas ^hello 02:47, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Presidents of Peru

Hello! I've seen your recent changes and contributions to articles concerning Peruvian Presidents (Juan Velasco Alvarado and Francisco Morales Bermúdez). I was also trying to add more information on some previous presidents of Peru but was not including information tables. I was wondering maybe we can work together on more past presidents by adding more information from external sources. Just a casual thing. Take care, keep in touch. --Dynamax 20:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Talk page

Dear Messhermit,

The Fujimori talk page is, as usual, full of flames - I'll try to put out the fire, or at least smother it a little. I hope we can all work together. Hasdrubal 19:36, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

On editing other peoples' comments on Talk pages

Several days ago, I thought you deleted a comment I made on the talk page of AF, so I restored it. Afterwards, I noticed you simply moved it to the bottom to make it easier to reply to. May I offer you some advice? As a general rule, it is not a good idea to touch other peoples' comments on Talk pages. If you want to respond to what someone wrote at different location, the safest thing is to copy the text, put it in italics, and indicate who said it with something like "xxx wrote:". -- Viajero 13:27, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New articles

Hi Messhermit,

- An economics page on Peru would be very good. However, we should not hope that it will not be controversial. Figures themselves can be, if their sources are questioned (as they should be) - and, of course, the interpretation of figures is always controversial.

- I agree with you: it is imperative that more material on human rights be included in the pages of presidents before Fujimori.

An article on strategy, tactics and human-rights violations in Peru in the 80's and 90's would be a good thing, but, again, one should not hope it will not become a focus for heated discussion. "Civil war" might not be the best title -- there is a tendency now in English-language academic discourse to restrict the usage of the term "civil war" to what seems to me to be a rather narrow set of circumstances; thus, there would be a debate even about the title itself of the page. Of course, that may not be a bad thing in and of itself. Hasdrubal 17:57, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

On the use of lists

Messhermit, if you have a moment, please take a look at this page: Wikipedia:Lists. You will see, for example, that under Title and bullet style or vertical style it states that this style is "appropriate for long lists". It does not say how long, but my personal judgement would be five or six items or more. Less than that, you don't need a bullet list. Here on Wikipedia, bullet lists are primarily used for listing external links, books, recordings, court cases, and that kind of thing. We don't normally use them to format short paragraphs. The usage of bullet lists is I think similar in Spanish, but I defer to you entirely on that matter. -- Viajero 16:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

My pleasure. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:38, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

War of the Pacific

All right, I will. Any way, there's a peruvian user in called es:usuario:Arístides Herrera Cuntti that knows much better about. He made with a group with other tow users, chileans, and made completly NPOV articles about. I'm also looking that there's nothing about the Linch mission, where chilean soldiers destroy most of north Peruvian haciendas for making us difficult any reconsruction. Bye. --Huhsunqu 20:17, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It looks to me like this is just becoming a mess, but I don't have a lot of time to give it right now. My gut feeling is that we'd be better off to roll it all back to where it was a week or so ago, then try to take up individual issues. What do you think? -- Jmabel | Talk 00:09, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, we must keep it intact, so any info that is stated from now must have been prevented from being a POV. Messhermit 02:12, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know what you are saying here. Could you try wording that differently? O, quizás sería más facil decirlo en español. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:45, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

lol, ok lo dire en español (estaba un poco apurado al escribir lo de arriba). Bueno, solo quiero decir que revirtamos la pagina hasta como estaba hace unas semanas. De ahi en adelante, buscar q toda la informacion que se quiera agregar (sea Chilena, BoliviaNa o Peruana) sea NPOV y en base a un concenso en el talk page. saludos Messhermit 13:40, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like a fine idea to me. I'll do the revert (if no one has already), because I haven't been intimately involved in the argument. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:24, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)

About Copyright violations

Hello there. I'm having some difficulties regarding copyvios on Wiki-commons, and I was wondering if you could gave some advice on it. Most of them are pictures of Argentinian Presidents, and I'm wondering if there is a different way to have them on commons and preventing them from being deleted. Thanks and keep in touch. Messhermit 17:37, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I can try to help, but you are going to have to be specific about the problem for me to do anything. If they really are copyvios, then we can't have them; if they are encumbered at all (e.g. "fair use" only), we can't have them on Commons. -- Jmabel | Talk 00:11, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Peruvian Wikipedians

You might be interested in adding your self to the Peruvian wikipedia's list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Peru --Dynamax 06:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Yahya Khan

I notice that the new table has an entry labelled "Took Office". Aside from the capitalisation, the details are actually of the period of office. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

East Pakistan

I agree; I've added merge templates for now, though if I find the time I'll try to do it myself. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:12, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There's some discussion of this at Talk:East Bengal (province) if you're interested in joining in. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:22, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Insurgent V.S. Guerrilla

The info box serves to emphasize his holding of formal state offices, but these are largely ceremonial; his base of power really comes from his domination of the Communist Party, which cannot be established in an info box. But if you want to restore it, go ahead. Personally I only consider this a minor problem, and hardly anything worth an argument. 172 22:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I wasn't aware that the info boxes were added to pages on similar figures. (For example, one does not appear in Saddam Hussein.) But if they're increasingly becoming the standard, I suppose adding one is fine, so long as it includes his position as general secretary of the Communist Party (the real position of power) along with the official state posts. 172 22:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Partition-Armistice.PNG

[2] - I think that if this map is accurate, then it should definately be included in an article somewhere, ideally the West Bank article. It would really help to explain what the current conflict is about IMHO. --Rebroad 07:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

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Apologies!

''Respect my Personal Page What you did can be considerated Vandalism against my personal Page. If you have something to say to me, please use the talk page, that's the purpose of that. Also, age does not mean wisdom. Messhermit 19:22, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

You are completely right, and I stand corrected! Being new to Wikipedia, I did not realize I had to use the talk page to send you messages. Instead, I was mistakenly using your personal page, for which I present you my sincere apologies. Your indignation is based on solid grounds, but fear not: my intention was not to vandalize your page, but to talk directly to you (that was before I realized that talking with you was of no use, but that's another story...)

Anyway, if you do believe my purpose was to vandalize your page, I guess all you have to do is to report that incident as an act of vandalism to have me banned from Wikipedia. Of course, you would have to affix to your report the content I wrote by mistake on your personal page, where I see no trace of an intention to vandalize.

You are right, age does not mean wisdom. Did I suggest such a thing? I was just asking because your reckless and unsupported reverting of my edits on the figures for Ecuadorian losses during the Cenepa War, struck me as somewhat unrespectful, and made me think I was dealing with a young (reckless?) person.

Best regards, Andres C. 00:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Complaints of deletion

I think this needs to be stated on your discussion page (and not deleted if you don't mind.) Users, mainly Andres C., have complained of deletions to notable/citable text. You have also deleted some of my text, without explaining. That mainly just looks like an attempt to claim ownership of certain articles with the intention of pushing a POV. Maybe Andres can cite specific instances of unnecessary deletions. On my part, please explain the necessity/controversy/falsehood involved in deleting a statement in parenthesis that read roughly as follows:

(Some historians would go even further back and note the war between Atahualpha and Huascar in the Inca Empire.)

If you don't like the wording or grammar of sentence, may I suggest rewording instead of deleting?

There have also been complaints that some of your text is uncitable. Citations have been requested and I haven't seen any replies from you. I believe citations have been requested for the following claims:

• 6-9 downed Ecuadorian aircraft in the Cenepa war. (Still there.)
• Ecuador's occupation of Zarumilla in the Ecuador-Peru War. (No longer there.)

And another one I don't recall. Are you planning to leave these issues unanswered?

Without intending to offend, I'd suggest you check out the article on intellectual honesty.

200.63.231.224 17:22, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Ecuatorianismo

OK, ya estoy acá. ¿Puedes darme más información al respecto? Hace siglos que no vengo por EN. --Huhsunqu 04:45, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello. Could you write, who is a copyright holder of Image:Monitor Huascar.jpg, if you write, that he agrees to use it in any purpose? (I need it for Polish pl:Huascar (okręt) Pibwl [[User_talk:Pibwl|<font color=red>&larr;</font><font color=green>&laquo;</font>]] 18:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Democratic Republic of Aghanistan

Hello! I'll be glad to help you to translate information from Russian pages. By the way, some time ago I translated some info from Russian pages about Tajbeg's seizure, which I included into the article Alpha Group.

But, as you can see, I currently make very few edits to Wikipedia, this is because I have very little time. Nevertheless, I'll do my best to help you. Best regards! Cmapm 01:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Juan Velasco Alvarado

Hello, good work on Juan Velasco Alvarado, and thanks for the contribution. However, you did not any references to the article. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a push to encourage editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. From what websites, books, or other places did you learn the information that you added to Juan Velasco Alvarado? Would it be possible for you to mention them in the article? You can simply add links, or see WP:CITET if you wish to review some of the different citation methods. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 21:01, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Erich Honecker

Hey, you reverted my simplification of the infobox in Erich Honecker with the justification "Leaders of the USSR have the same infobox". Surely this is irrelevant: if my changes are an improvement (which I think they are) then that's good for this article, and maybe should be adopted elsewhere! Rd232 ^talk 00:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Cough. Yes, I see that for instance Walter Ulbricht has that style - because you just added it. Sorry, I really think successor/predecessor info is superfluous in the infbox, because we have that at the bottom. The rest of the changes I made do not lose any info, it just looks simpler. Rd232 ^talk 00:17, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not deleting information: that info is available elsewhere in the article (predecessor/successor info) or merely moved to a different formatting. I prefer this approach for all articles with such infoboxes, so if you intend to add these boxes more widely let's settle the issue (maybe by RFC) first. Rd232 ^talk 00:26, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiCafe? Never heard of it. But some third party opinion is what's needed, so no objection if that achieves it. Rd232 ^talk 00:32, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

OK. Not sure if that was the best place, but let's see what comes of it. Otherwise, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics should be helpful. Rd232 ^talk 00:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure we can word it politely!! :) Wikipedia:third opinion would be another option. Rd232 ^talk 00:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history: Coordinator elections

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Confederation Flag

Hi, Meshermit. I'd like to know why did you reversed the change on the article Peru-Bolivian Confederation. --Huhsunqu 03:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

In fact, that's the confederal flag, the three coat of arms, and that's what says the Peru-Bolivian Confederacy Fundamental Law:

La bandera de la confederación será de color punzó por ser común á las tres repúblicas. En su centro se verán las armas de la confederación, que son las de las tres repúblicas entrelazadas por un laurel; el diseñolo dará el Protector

— Ley Fundamental de la Confederación Perú-Boliviana, artículo 37

In W:ES there's an article called Bandera de la Confederación Perú-Boliviana. Napaykuna. Huhsunqu 13:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Commons is trying to change all fklags to SVG format, because is a vector based file format, so everything's based in position and dimension. This kind of files could be modified with Inkscape or Corel Draw, any vector files editor. Please, meke now before uploading a new file for comparing it with my sources and get to the best accord. Saludos. Huhsunqu 19:04, 3 February 2006 (UTC) (If possible, write me to Spanish Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons.)

About the coment of disorganization, both Bolivian and North Peruvia COA has 45º of inclination fron the paralell to the bottom of the flag. Huhsunqu 19:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Martha Chavez

I don't understand how you can say that Fujimori's legal woes don't belong in this article. The only reason that she is running is because Fujimori legally cannot. --Descendall 07:24, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

massoud v masood

When you cited "pov" in your edit, you also changed the spelling of the man's name. Why have you done this? Or, rather, why have you done it without indicating it in the edit comment? This feature, in particular, has been changed many times. I'm not claiming to be an expert on it, but I think changing it over and over constitutes Revert Nonsense. Can you explain why you prefer one spelling over the other? I mean, the name is originally in arabic, is it not? Making roman characters meaningless? Avriette 18:49, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

copyvio notices

Please don't remove copyvio notices if the underlying problem remains. Quatloo 00:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

If you want proof of copyvio of the Nur Muhammad Taraki article, merely open any current copy of the Encyclopedia Britannica to the article on him. This is very, very easy. Quatloo 02:55, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

First off, not all copvio's are copied directly from the web, and not all of them will have links. Secondly, I have not been hostile. Asserting a copyvio is not hostile behavior, it is a yes/no factual question and not a matter that can possibly impinge your character. Quatloo 03:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

If you do not have a paid EB account, you will not be able to see the full article, which is where the infringements occur. Without a free account you just see the first paragraph as a teaser. It is not the basic dates or similar information to which I refer it is to full prose sentences. Quatloo 03:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I have a paid subscription, which is how I noticed this problem. Quatloo 03:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

"In the late 1940s he worked in the press department of the Afghan government and in 1953 was appointed attaché at the Afghan embassy in Washington, D.C." <-- This sentence is the first one that appears *verbatim* from the Britannica. The Britannica entry predates the creation of this article. Quatloo

What more can I do? I gave you the source. I gave you a sentence plagiarized *vertabim* -- exact punctuation and all -- from the Encyclopedia Britannica. You can go visit a library, where they will have a free subscription, and see for yourself. It is not impossible as you suggested in your note to me, it is very easy and can be done for free. Or, you can sign up for a free subscription via their offer. I am not accusing you of this, anyone could have done it, but it is there and that fact cannot be disputed. Plagiarisms of this sort are the worst possible danger to Wikipedia, because Britannica surely views the project as a threat. And unfortunately plagiarisms from Britannica are common. Quatloo 03:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

If that sentence were copied from a source that copied from Britannica, that is just as bad. Wikipedia sentences shouldn't be copied from anywhere. Quatloo 03:54, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I think maybe you misunderstood what the copyvio tag is for. It is not a call for removal of an article. It just means an admin has to determine what the infringing portions are and remove JUST THOSE PARTS from the article and most importantly, from the article history. The problem with just rewriting them is that the infringements stay in the article history, and only an admin has the ability to remove those. Quatloo 04:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Andrés Avelino Cáceres

The Wikiproject:Peru current collaboration is on Andrés Avelino Cáceres. I've already gotten it out of the stub stage but wouldn't mind some help on it. Feel free to add info on the page if you have time and are interested. Thanks, bye.-Jersey Devil 22:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Aktuelle Kamera article

Hi over there, despite my totally dislike to GDR i have revised Aktuelle Kamera article i hope you may take a look at GDR's past and maybe the only number one news program.HappyApple 22:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

High resolution image

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The problem was that the quality was too good, actually--legally, we can only reproduce copyright images if they're low resolution. I've replaced it--you're welcome to change it if you'd prefer it to be different, but make sure to keep it low resolution. Chick Bowen 18:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

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Seeing as we are almost done with the Andrés Avelino Cáceres collaboration and March is coming up. I'd thought that I should inform you and the other members of WP:Peru that you can add your thoughts on what you think the next project collaboration should be on at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Peru#Collaboration.--Jersey Devil 21:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hi, Messhe. ¿Can you please look after deletion of this image? It was originally representing Bolivia without atacama and was uploaded by an user called "Rapa Nui"... The rest is in P-BC history. Bye. Huhsunqu 20:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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I was looking at the page for reference to create a template for Peruvian Presidents and saw your additions. Very good work! :)--Jersey Devil 19:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Well, I see I arrived late. I was out of proyect by a litte time. Now I see that page's protected with your last editing, so I assume things are peaceful now. Call me when you need me :P You can send me a free text message to my cell by movistar's web page. My number's at W:ES. Bye. Huhsunqu 06:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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Is it normal that this thing deletes everything that its on his way? Most of my contributions are as Fair Use and with a explanation, but it keeps trying to delete them. Messhermit 13:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Perfectly normal. You aren't bothering to indicate where you're getting the images or who created them, which is a basic requirement of Wikipedia's image use policy. --Carnildo 18:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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Andres C./Peru-Ecuador dispute history

I just left a comment on that page's talk page if you are interested.

Vivaperucarajo 05:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• Messhermit: I think you are using the REVERT tool in an inappropiate manner. Facts are not Points of View. Ecuador had no warplanes in 1941. Ecuador had two Breda 20 mm guns in Puerto Bolívar. Those two sentences are historical facts, not Points of View. Andres C. 07:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
• Luis A. Rodríguez was the commander in chief of the Ecuadorian V Brigade in El Oro. Mr. Luis Humberto Delgado is a very well known Peruvian historian. I am surprised to hear you dismiss Delgado's book as inaccurate. Sorry, no links for these books. You must ask for the books in your local library. If you live in Miami, as you say you do, then how can you pretend to have access to important bibliographical sources regarding these matters? What is the job you want me to do? To upload the entire book to the internet (illegaly) so you can read it? Sorry, it is not possible. Anyway, it's not such a big deal. Do as you please and go on deleting sources and reverting changes. Your behaviour has already been reported and it will be scrutinized.

• Speaking about non-biased approaches in Wikipedia, I see you still keep the picture of the Peruvian monument to victory, and have added a section for Peruvian heroes in the article about the 1941 war. That says a lot about your "non-POV" attitudes. Remember this is an encyclopedia. Andres C. 18:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Please note that you could easily make a NPOV version of Peruvian Heroes... by renaming it to Noteable Peruvians =P and then have one for Ecuadorians too.

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Please comment on my rfc Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jersey Devil--Jersey Devil 21:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Peruvian Mig-29

The planes are property of the Military of Peru, Thus the pictures are not something that can be copyrighted. I don't understand why all the problem with that. Even, those pics can be claimed to be Fair use, right? Messhermit 03:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Dead wrong and no. The ownership of the planes is completely irrelevant to the copyrightability of pictures of the planes. And on Wikipedia, "fair use" can only be claimed if it is impossible to get pictures any other way: see Wikipedia:Fair use. --Carnildo 03:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit War on the History of the Ecuadorian-Peruvian territorial dispute article

I see you are bent on winning the revert war. Nevertheless, I still think that the best way to resolve this problem is to talk and to compare arguments. As far as I understand, your problem seems to be with the following paragraph:

About 200,000 km² (77,200 squared miles) of disputed jungle territory were awarded to Peru, most of it being already in Peru's de facto possession since the end of the 19th Century (the areas immediately adjacent to the Marañon river were in Peruvian possession since the 1860s). The border line decided at Rio took the 1936 statu quo line as the basis for negotiations. Ecuador gave to Peru about 18,000 km2, Peru giving to Ecuador around 5,000 km2. Thus, in real terms, Ecuador lost a little over 13,000 km2 of previously possessed Amazonian territory as a result of the Rio Protocol.

You seem to prefer this version:

In reality, only a small fraction of that was lost by Ecuador compared to the 1936 status quo border line. In practical terms, at most 14,000 km² (5,404 squared miles) changed hands as a result.

• What is exactly the part that you see as "Ecuadorian POV-pushing" (whatever that means)? I ask you this since you deleted a lot of words.
  • The timing of the Peruvian possession of the northern tributaries of the Marañon?
  • The fact that the diplomats at Rio de Janeiro took the 1936 line as the basis for the definitive border line?
  • The amount of territory each country awarded to each other, considering the 1936 line?
  • The amount of territory that Ecuador lost to Peru considering the 1936 line?

If you help me explaining in more detail your arguments, things could be much easier. The version you prefer has the problem of being inaccurate. This is because

• a. the area that changed hands did not comprise 14,000 km2, but 23,000-plus km2.
• b. the 14,000 figure refers specifically to the amount of territory that Ecuador lost in 1942 relative to the 1936 line.

You have to remember that line agreed upon by both countries in the Acta de Lima of July 6, 1936, reflected what each country possessed at that moment, and that the line was actually made by the Peruvian Foreign Ministry and delivered to the Secretary of State of the United States. If that line indicated actual possessions, why is it that you don't want the article to state that Ecuador lost 13,000 km2 of what it possessed in the Amazonian basin according to the 1936 statu-quo line?

I hope I can compare your arguments with mine. I don't like this senseless edit war, which will have no victors, only losers. If you bring forward your arguments, we can find a solution that would please both of us. Andres C. 04:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Jaén y Maynas

Qué tal, Messhermit. Hay un punto muy importante que no se ha tocado y es que estas provincias declararon su independencia de España como peruanos. Creo que esto debería ser agregado al artículo. Es poca mi ayuda y es que en verdad quisiera escribir, pero conoces cuan pésima es mi edación en inglés. :P Saludos. Huhsunqu 14:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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Hello. This is to let you know that I asked for the article to have Full Protection from further reverts until we can find an agreement satisfactory to both sides, and that I asked for official Mediation. Andres C. 19:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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Interesting, asking to block the editions once the article is back at your editions. How NPOV is that? I'm now convinced that you are nothing more than a POV pusher. Messhermit 22:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• Messhermit. A little bit of advice: Watch your manners and your behavior. Everything you write from now on will be closely watched by moderators (the same goes for me). Besides your usual accusations against me, you have just put in doubt the impartiality of the moderator who locked the article. Article Protection is a measure designed to stop edit wars, until editors come to an agreement in a civilized manner. It DOES NOT endorse the current version. You could have reverted my edits in time, before the protection was imposed, and the article would be locked with "your" version. No big deal, that's how it works. Anyway, as I said, you just put in doubt the impartiality of the moderator who locked the article. Of course, that will go straight to Wikiquette Alert.
• I see you declined the Mediation. Well, it was not "my" mediation. It is a procedure performed by a Mediation Committee, where both sides explain their arguments in a civilized manner. The Mediation was not going to use "my editions", but yours and mine. I was going to present my point of view, you were supposed to present yours. A third party was going to analyze all data and come to a conclusion. You did not accept it because you already know that nothing good will come out of it. Ouch! Well, it's ok. I will go on making use of all the mediation measures Wikipedia presents users in these cases.

It is precisely because I want the article to be NPOV that I put the case to a Mediation Committee. You declined. I do wonder who's the POV pusher really? Andres C. 23:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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Can you please comment on the La Paz article entry for the AID?--Jersey Devil 19:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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Humala Page

Damn man, these IPs don't stop with their unsourced POV edits. (See Here). The apparently did this on Spanish Wikipedia as well which caused the page their to get protection. I suspect it is the same group of people that have been filling up the Humala talk page and the talk pages of other Peruvian related topics with blogs.--Jersey Devil 23:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I asked User:MONGO for semi-protection. Maybe you can also go to his talk page and further explain the situation to him. Check out the page history of the Humala page, the vandals just went on the attack again.--Jersey Devil 23:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter, Issue I

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue I - March 2006
Project news An independent military history peer review has been created for the benefit of the project. A number of articles have already been reviewed, receiving significantly more feedback within the project than they did on the generic peer review page. The project's Collaboration of the Fortnight got off to a great start with Ferdinand Foch and is now focusing on the military history of Spain. Two new task forces—dealing with warfare during classical antiquity and the Middle Ages—have been created. An effort to build a catalogue of high-quality maps for use in military history articles is now underway. The newly-formed translation department is looking for volunteers to help with translating featured articles from other-language Wikipedias.	From the Coordinators Welcome to the inaugural issue of the Military history WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this new format will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new groups and programs within the project that they may wish to participate in. Please consider this inital issue to be a prototype; as always, any comments and suggestions are quite welcome, and will help us improve the newsletter in the coming months. Kirill Lokshin, Lead Coordinator
Current proposals Proposed guidelines for categories of military people are currently being discussed. A number of issues have already been resolved, but the proposed scheme is still in draft form and further input would be very welcome.

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FAE sorties during the "Paquisha incident"

Hello. I was wondering if you could tell me where can I read the information about the FAE conducting 179 combat sorties during the Paquisha/Falso Paquisha war, as it appears on the Paquisha incident article. Thanks. Andres C. 04:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration

Please note that I have now referred your case to the Arbitration Committee for their consideration. You can find the arbitration request at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Messhermit. If you wish to respond to it, you should respond under the "Statement by party 2" heading. You must keep your response to 500 words or less, or it may be removed without warning by the Committee clerks. - Andres C. 06:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Messhermit

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Messhermit. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Messhermit/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Messhermit/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --Tony Sidaway 22:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Cenepa War

Thank you for you thoughtful message. I do hope we can avoid sour exchanges in the future. I don't doubt that you have valid questions about accuracy (not having access to these documents here in Canada, I'm unable to verify much about the conflict), but I believe Andres has made an honest effort overall to get things right. He doesn't strike me as an Ecuadorian revisionist who'll turn around and claim that Peru was an Axis Power, and I think you should cooperate with him. He may get a few little points wrong, but on the whole, I think he's done a tremendous job with the article, including presenting a Peruvian POV.

Are you concerned with small, isolated inaccuracies, or do you believe that the whole article has an Ecuadorian bias? Either way, I think you should continue to discuss whatever offends you before removing any content (which, I find, is almost never a good solution). I guess I just want us to aim for something constructive: Remember, the war's over. Regards, Albrecht 17:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

RFC against Messhermit

I responded to this query as I usually do, on my own talk page, but I'm copying it here just in case.

Hello there! Due to College, I'm being a little bit busy with some other topics besides Wikipedia. My question is: I have a RFC against my person, and I want to know if there is some sort of time limit to present my other side of the story. Thanks! and I'm really waiting for the answer. Messhermit 14:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You mean the arbitration case Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Messhermit? No, it's okay. I suggest that you leave a message on the talk page of one of the more active arbitrators, say User talk:Dmcdevit, explaining that you'll be too busy to contribute properly. They can, and would probably be willing to, shelve the case until your return. If you're not going to be editing Wikipedia for a while, then there is no urgency, and there are other cases they can get on with in the meantime. If you don't get a positive response, come back here and I'll see if I can help. --Tony Sidaway 18:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Response ["Lost" territory]

However you wish it to be worded, "Lost," or "Traded," etc... It all comes to the same conclusion: Peru has power over the territories and Ecuador does not. I personally believe that there is a need to send a strong message to you and, perhaps, to Andres that you took an entirely simple fact, threw mud on it, and then fought over who dirtied it first. You can even exchange the word "Lost" for "Ceded." And in all honesty, someone who supports Ecuador will still see the same word as "Lost" and anyone who supports Peru wouldn't see it the same, but for a neutral outsider, the word won't mean a damn thing in the whole context. Ecuador did lose. Otherwise the territory would be in Ecuadors hands. You could easily make the same complain in the Israeli-Palistinian issue: Someone took someone elses territory that someone wanted. All-in-all, someone lost something, and someone gained. I vehemently protest the prolonging of complaints against simple wording. I, being American, really don't care how something is worded, because in my mind the outcome is obvious: Peru gained, Ecuador lost and that is the end of the dispute (Unless it continued to this day). Be gracious sometimes and leave things be. It's not worth the time to sit here blabbing over a little text. It makes Wikipedia look like a little squabble between young siblings: Foolish.

Pvt Mahoney 19:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

RFM Cenepa War

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Stalking

Copied from Andres C's talk page

This is the only official warning that I am giving to you. Stop following me trough all my editions in both Wikipedia:EN and Wikipedia:ES. What you are doing can be labeled as stalking and could lead you to serious consequences here in Wikipedia. If you proceed with this deviant behavior, I will start actions against your person. This is a serious issue and a clear attempt by your part to take this dispute to a personal level. Messhermit 03:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you have not read what wikistalking is? All your user contributions are public for a reason. As for your warnings, I suggest you to take immediate action. I will post this threat of yours in your Talk Page and in the ArbCom Evidence page. Andrés 04:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Messhermit: Remember that I was more than willing to work with you. I came forward with everything I could: talk pages, requests for mediation, proposals, modified proposals, scanned books, and I don't know what else. You know your answers. Four people besides myself have raised specific complaints about your behavior and your actions on the disputed articles, so this ended up involving several editors. I hope, though, that you are mistaken when you say that this whole thing can go on forever, because I don't see this as a game, and this is not exactly my idea of fun. There is an Arbitration in process, and I hope the Arbitrators find ways to put an end to this. The only advice I can give you is that you present your version of what exactly happened on the Arbitration case page. -- Andrés 20:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II

The April 2006 issue of the project newsletter is now out. You may read this issue or change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you by following the link. Thanks. Kirill Lokshin 18:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

May Collaboration

Hey, I decided to finally start the May collaboration for the Wikiproject Peru (as you can see from the template in your user page) the next collaboration is Peruvian Army.--Jersey Devil 16:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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This is my last comment in your "Talk Page". I'm disappointed, and please accept my apologies for the actions of the other party involved in this dispute. Messhermit 13:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello: As I said to Arbitrator Fred Bauder, I strongly suspect you are the editor that made the edits under the IP address 147.70.124.109. In case you are wondering if I am behind the edits done by 84.71.145.217, rest assured that this is not the case. The range of that IP number doesn't even correspond to my geographical location (Ecuador). This is not a personal attack but a statement of a situation that I think should be investigated in the context of this case. That being the case, I don't think apologies are in order. Regards. - Andrés C. 14:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Pacific War

Thanks for the offer. Sure. We can discuss the information available and try to come to a balanced version. It will be difficult, due to such a long history of controversy, but hey, we can still try. Just let me know how... should I write to you directly to your private email? --Mel Romero 02:09, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Messhermit

This arbitration case is closed. The result is at the link above.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 01:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

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Heh

I just happened to be looking through the Juan Velasco page and saw your reverts on the "military dictatorship" edits. In particular I saw this edit:

His rule was dictatorial [3]

The exact same IP then goes to the Augusto Pinochet page and makes this edit

Removing "dictatorship" from the phrase "military dictatorship" [4]--Jersey Devil 00:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Char Aznable

Sure, I think there is a way to put that in the infobox. Dudeman74 15:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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List of dictators

If you object to Lenin's inclusion then state your reasons on the discussion page. --RaiderAspect 23:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I am really failing to see your logic here. I have stated my reasons for including Lenin on the List of Dictators discussion page. No one has brought up any real objections in over a week. You are yet to give any reason for your reverts. --RaiderAspect 02:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see you have, apologies. Regardless, you are yet to address any of issues with your view point that have been pointed out. --RaiderAspect 02:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)